Lost - "The End" 5/23 series finale (spoilers)

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  1. May 24, 2010 #601 of 1949
    balboa dave

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    I'm with Rob on this. Emotionally, and from the character development viewpoint, this was very satisfying conclusion. But in this context, the entire flash sideways scenes as a whole are little more than a very good reunion episode. Except for Hugo and Ben's throwaway lines, there was nothing that advanced the island mythology (and I await the fan drawing or photochop of them as Mr. Roarke and Tattoo). Nothing in the storylines of the flash sideways had anything to do with the mythology of the island, except, ooh, weren't those good times? Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people died over the six years of this show, so I guess that there's a heaven, or whatever the light in the church was, makes it OK. Our favorite characters have a happy ending, and that's what counts.

    From the intellectual viewpoint, I really hoped the flash sideways would have a more interesting resolution. I was entertained by the possibility they might have been a result of the nuclear explosion interacting with the island's E/M force, that they were a result of some entanglement with a parallel universe that would resolve itself with lots of drama, but no, we get a well tread supernatural revelation. As I said, it was well done, and I enjoyed it for what it was, but as a hard core sci-fi guy (and I know hard core guys don't like the term), it had the potential to have been so much better.
     
  2. May 24, 2010 #602 of 1949
    Bluewookie

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    I had a "glitch" in my recording, and did not get any audio during the whole conversation between Desmond and Eloise at the concert. Can anyone fill me in?
     
  3. May 24, 2010 #603 of 1949
    Supfreak26

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    So they couldn't look back to the first episode and fashion the ending to match what we saw then? It doesn't take long-term planning to do that.

    LOL!

    This is the main reason I stayed away from most of the LOST threads. Too many people seeing clues and mysteries where there are none. I think I stopped around the Sun argument because it was just too frustrating.

    I thought this last episode (and the few before this one) spelled things out very literally. Christian explained what the flash-sideways world was in explicit detail. Yet some here want to make this into Jack's sole fantasy? Go back and watch that scene again. Christian explained it very clearly.

    I absolutely loved this ending. Very satisfying compared to other series finales I've seen. I nearly cried many times during these 2.5 hours. Great stuff.

    What's funny is how I've changed throughout this series. In the beginning, I was the one raving about questions unanswered and mysteries unsolved. I wanted it all spelled out for me. I remember hating most of the flashbacks because I was only interested in the mysteries of the island.

    Now I'm the exact opposite. While I still love the mysteries of the island, I find myself caring deeply for the characters which is why I think I loved this episode so much. After all of the suffering and pain these guys have gone through, it was very rewarding to see them all smile at the end. I was even happy to see Ben get his wish in the end. (Both on the island and in the flash-sideways.)

    I can accept many things on the island as "it is what it is" and I actually prefer that they remain mysterious. If they were to spell it out, I promise that the vast majority of fans will revolt. The explanations could never be good enough.

    That said, I wouldn't argue against some kind of prequal mini-series showing the origins of the island and it's protectors. I also wouldn't mind seeing Hurley run the show with Ben.
     
  4. May 24, 2010 #604 of 1949
    getbak

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    600 posts in, and I don't believe anyone has said this: I really liked the dress that Desmond brought for Kate.
     
  5. May 24, 2010 #605 of 1949
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    I'm sorry but you are incorrect about #2. :) Something like that would be a perfect example of a satisfying ending to LOST for me.

    - K
     
  6. May 24, 2010 #606 of 1949
    mostman

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    Thanks folks. Just trying to help my fellow TiVo Community pals work their minds through this thing. :)
     
  7. May 24, 2010 #607 of 1949
    Philosofy

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    I'm 15 pages in, and a lot of stuff is being rehashed, but I want to put in my $0.02. I liked the finale, but didn't understand it until I started reading this thread. My preconceived notions got in my way. I was convinced that limbo people would travel to the Island timeline so much so, that when they arrived at the church, I thought it was where Eloise Hawking had the big pendulum in the basement. So when Jack asked if he was dead, and the answer was yes, it threw me for a loop, and it didn't sink in until later. I was confused: did Jack die in the initial plane crash, was the Island real, etc. etc. etc. The hints and facts were there, but I guess I was in some form of denial.

    On the whole, I don't think Lost will stand up to a second viewing quite as well as we might think. I always thought of Lost as an X Files that actually delivered answers. Where did the polar bear come from? The Dharma initiative. What is the hatch? A Dharma station. And as those questions were answered, more, deeper mysteries were there. How did the Island heal people? Who is Jacob? What is the smoke monster. What has me disappointed is that the Dharma initiative was not the first layer in a large mystery, it was a dead end that was pursued for a couple seasons. Stuff that, in the larger picture of the whole series, was unimportant. Also Jacob, who is supposed to be good, and the Others, who claimed to be good, didn't act in a good way.

    Another point I'm a little upset about is the whole Limbo timeline. They took half of the last season to basically end up with Obi Wan, Anakin, and Yoda ghosts waving at us. Although interesting while watching, in retrospect it seems like a dead end. They could have just put up a screen saying "And they all died happily ever after..."
     
  8. May 24, 2010 #608 of 1949
    d-dub

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    A good story teller will leave room in his story for you to fill in your own answers. What's more important than the writers' interpretation of what the island, glowing pool, and smoke monster represented is *your* ideas of what they represent. Those are what the story means to you. That's what allows you to become involved in the story, rather than just a spectator of it.

    When you try to be just a spectator, that's when you feel dissatisfied with the unanswered questions. Go ahead and be a part of the story... what does the MIB represent to you? What would happen to the world if your conception of him escaped from the world? Your ideas are just as valid as the writers' ideas would be.
     
  9. May 24, 2010 #609 of 1949
    ronsch

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    :up::up::up:
     
  10. May 24, 2010 #610 of 1949
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    My take on the skeletons in the light cave was that this has happened many times before and will probably happen again...

    It kind of explains the smoke monster in the Egyptian pictures. There were smoke monsters before, they've been killed, etc. The cycle repeats...

    I thought for sure Hurley was going to toss Ben in there at some point. I liked the way they did it much more - would have been way out of character for Hurley to do something like that...
     
  11. May 24, 2010 #611 of 1949
    ronsch

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    One side effect of the Dharma Initiative was to allow Sawyer & Juliette's relationship to come to fruition. Granted it could have been achieved in other ways....
     
  12. May 24, 2010 #612 of 1949
    aindik

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    Anyone else get the sense that Hurley and Ben bailed on Jack too quickly? It didn't look like he had to die.
     
  13. May 24, 2010 #613 of 1949
    jkeegan

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    Agh I dislike the mere suggestion of that.. He was the result of Jack and Juliete having a kid. If Jack and Kate had a kid, the kid would be a different person. Different genetic makeup, different experiences with his mother, etc.

    LOL! I can't believe I hadn't followed that thought through to its conclusion until the 7th word of your 2nd sentence.. Should have seen that with the pawprint. Should have predicted it'd be Rose & Bernard because of that last week too (because they have Vincent).. A well. Damn.
     
  14. May 24, 2010 #614 of 1949
    MickeS

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    We were wrong, get over it. :D
     
  15. May 24, 2010 #615 of 1949
    janry

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    Sure, but Ben wasn't going to risk his life to save anyone and I can't see them lowering Huley down the cave and certainly not pulling him back out.
     
  16. May 24, 2010 #616 of 1949
    Supfreak26

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    I had to pause during one of her scenes to tell my wife that "Kate is rocking that dress!" Man she looked great!
     
  17. May 24, 2010 #617 of 1949
    jkeegan

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    Yeahhhhh, but the problem with a "this is Jack's custom purgatory and everyone gets their own one" theory is that we saw multiple scenes that Jack had nothing to do with, and didn't know about. Charlie turning the wheel on Desmond to get him to crash into the water, and Desmond's memory of seeing Not Penny's Boat on his hand, had nothing to do with Jack. If this was Jack's imaginary world, it'd all be Jack centric (or we wouldn't be seeing scenes that weren't related to Jack).

    Christian said they created this together so they could find each other. This was a shared experience.
     
  18. May 24, 2010 #618 of 1949
    Cainebj

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    thanks Greg - I knew I knew him from somewhere, but I couldn't figure out if it was LOST or not :)

    Oddly enough, I probably most know him from Brothers and Sisters.
     
  19. May 24, 2010 #619 of 1949
    Fahtrim

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    uh........fail.

    Harry Potter had a story line that all wrapped up, and it was announced a magic from the get go......no real questions. Quiddich was a game they played in their magical world, no questions at all left about that.

    The "producers/writers/etc" clearly winged a lot of this series. Then in the final season they had a storyline they implemented and retro fitted in, imo.
     
  20. May 24, 2010 #620 of 1949
    jkeegan

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    I wonder if Jacob knew that he'd eventually be stabbed there, and decided to cause Jack's appendix to rupture on the island so Juliete would take it out.. (similar to how Locke's kidney being removed allowed him to survive the gunshot from Ben)

    By the way, Jacob and MiB's ability to see stuff waaaay ahead of time (to plan these long cons) is very Jedi like. Just sayin..
     

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