LOST - The Candidate 5/4

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  1. May 5, 2010 #161 of 303
    SusieK

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    I totally agree with you about the backpack...it stood out like a sore thumb, and out of character, as if Flock was 'trying to be helpful'...it just looked wierd.
     
  2. May 5, 2010 #162 of 303
    jpicard

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    Vincent lives with scrappy Rose and scrappy Bernard out in the middle of the jungle in their happy camp. Rose and Bernie are not ever leaving the island because they like the island and that Rose is cured of her cancer while being on the island. This was shown several episodes ago, can't remember if it was tail end of last season or beginning of this one though.
    I think Rose and Bernie still being on the island happily every after will never be answered as far as either of them being a candidate or not. Those characters are just faded off into the sunset...
     
  3. May 5, 2010 #163 of 303
    SusieK

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    Jack handed one of the two portable air devices to Hurley, and told him to buddy breath to get Kate to the surface. I'd assume he'd do the same for Sawyer, too.[/QUOTE]

    Jack would not have been able to buddy breath for Sawyer, because passed out Sawyer, would not have been able to hold his own breath under water, in between buddy breaths, and would have immediately drown... But since Sawyer was the one who tinkered with the bomb, perhaps this saved/protected him from being able to kill himself underwater.
     
  4. May 5, 2010 #164 of 303
    hapdrastic

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    Jack would not have been able to buddy breath for Sawyer, because passed out Sawyer, would not have been able to hold his own breath under water, in between buddy breaths, and would have immediately drown... But since Sawyer was the one who tinkered with the bomb, perhaps this saved/protected him from being able to kill himself underwater.[/QUOTE]

    Sawyer had the tank in his mouth when they showed Jack pulling him out of the sub.
     
  5. May 5, 2010 #165 of 303
    SusieK

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    Sawyer had the tank in his mouth when they showed Jack pulling him out of the sub.[/QUOTE]
    I guess we just have to believe that Sawyer suddely became conscious underwater, after being severly knocked unconscious (and before drowning), and at that exact moment, Jack gave him his first breath, at which time he was then able to hold his own breath, and alternately use the tank, making it to the surface intact with only a bit of water in his lungs. ok. glad we were able to save one lostie!
     
  6. May 5, 2010 #166 of 303
    stellie93

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    He can't kill the candidates, but I think he was easily pushed into the water because he didn't want to enter the sub.

    I'm assuming that Widmore and his guys can't kill the candidates either. So Jack was really in no danger, and neither was Locke. Locke just rescued him to earn points with Jack.

    This was my thought, but I don't remember where Locke was when Kate got shot. He had to get Jack on the sub somehow, and shooting Kate would do it. It also made it likely he would look in his pack. He did say a while back that Kate was only there to get the others where he wanted them.

    I wish there was a rule book somewhere. I agree it seems odd that nobody can touch Locke, but Ben could kill Jacob. Also, Ben and Widmore seemed to be unable to kill each other. In fairness, one of MiB's own people should be able to kill him. Maybe Claire?

    If Jacob was MiB's jailer, you'd think he would have been the one who was more angry at spending years alone on the island with him. If Jack gets stuck doing that... But Jacob didn't seem to mind. :confused: Weaving just doesn't seem that exciting to me.
     
  7. May 5, 2010 #167 of 303
    verdugan

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    TMI :D
     
  8. May 5, 2010 #168 of 303
    Philosofy

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    Something tells me that the whole series is inspired by Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress." This movie was one of the inspirations for Star Wars. Basically, it centered around two nobody's caught in the middle of some great events. Lots of what we've seen in Lost was riveting, but ultimately unimportant to the main story line: Jacob vs. MiB.
     
  9. May 5, 2010 #169 of 303
    Delta13

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    I caught it right away, though having a Tivo means I can back up a bit when I have a "wtf did he do" moment like this one. :)

    To make this more convoluted, Flocke needed C4 he didn't have (and a digital watch, with timer) to make a bomb he hadn't planned for, and then somehow get everyone on the sub including Jack. And open the pack (as already mentioned) before the timer ran out. Talk about winging it. And I'm supposed to believe he planned the Locke body long con?

    Disconnected is a good word. I love Lost, but the writing this season at times has also felt as clumsy as that backpack switch. The locking in cages, the bad plans of Sawyer and Flocke, why was no one guarding the sub, why wasn't the plane blown up. Sayid's sudden turn. The deaths that achieved nothing. Widmore apparently bringing a case of inflatable Red Shirts with him. And the generator, running the fences, is outside the fences? Or just as poorly guarded as the sub?

    And put the C4 next to the center fuel tank, Widmorons. Under the floor, no one will see, you can wire it to all kinds of stuff. And that explosion will be BIG.

    I know they're saving a huge amount to the end, and maybe the finale will be the best thing ever written, and maybe the deaths were a bit shocking sure, but disconnected fits in other ways than you might have meant.
     
  10. May 6, 2010 #170 of 303
    aindik

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    If the person who told Richard "go tell Locke to leave the island, bring his friends back, and die" was MIB, how did MIB pose as Locke if Locke wasn't dead yet?
     
  11. May 6, 2010 #171 of 303
    JYoung

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    The real Locke was already dead but he jumped forward in time from 2004.
    Man In Black sent Richard to the Locke from the past.
     
  12. May 6, 2010 #172 of 303
    Alpinemaps

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    I disagree with your suggested ending - and here's why - Jacob told MiB "it only ends once". I think the Losties are the end. Having Jack or Sawyer be Jacob's replacement? That doesn't end the story. I think we're going to have a very specific ending to this story. I don't think it will end as a mirror of the beginning of 'The Incident' (the Season 5 finale).

    The island wasn't done with Michael yet. Mr. Friendly even told him that. It wasn't until the island was done with him that he was able to die.
     
  13. May 6, 2010 #173 of 303
    aindik

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    I'm still confused. This seems like a time paradox to me. He's putting the wheels in motion to make something happen (John Locke's death) that has already happened?

    And also, even if Locke were dead, was he on the island yet? If not, how could MIB take his form?
     
  14. May 6, 2010 #174 of 303
    Steveknj

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    That's a great summary and makes sense. I NEVER in a million years would have come up with all of that. I'm really impressed. I hope they explain that. I'm still curious how the Dharma initiative was part of MIB's plan, and where Widmore fits in, but hopefully we'll get to see it. My thought on the Widmore piece is that he's an agent of Jacob's and he wanted to originally kill Ben because he felt he was dangerous to Jacob (he was right), and he had to go back and take care of MiB himself and figured out that Desmond was the key to doing that (how, I'm not sure yet). I'm also thinking Ben is in league with MiB somehow. Remember, he's an extremely good liar, and he was gung ho on bringing everyone back. Also, someone mentioned that the four Candidates were exactly the same four people who he needed at the end of season two and into season three. The flash sideways, is, perhaps a Jacob creation, not sure about that yet.
     
  15. May 6, 2010 #175 of 303
    Steveknj

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    Well, yeah, but I THOUGHT I was watching a different show :). Based on what jkeegan said, I might do a 180 and totally enjoy this little game at the end. Hopefully they will tie that part together so it all makes sense like that.
     
  16. May 6, 2010 #176 of 303
    Steveknj

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    I agree, disconnected is a good word. Sometimes I think the writers want to take things to a level only they understand. They want to push us into thinking one way, by being vague about things, and then, at the end they will say, you should have seen the clues from the beginning. I think it's one of those mysteries where at the end, you'll go back and say...oh yeah, that was a clue. I know I'm going to watch the whole series again and try and find them!!
     
  17. May 6, 2010 #177 of 303
    Philosofy

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    The more I think about it, I think Hurley will be the big hero. The main purpose of Jack and Sawyer are to be rivals. Kate is there to provide story tension between those two. That leaves Hurley's purpose. I think MiB will be defeated by Hugo.
     
  18. May 6, 2010 #178 of 303
    Family

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    I am a Lost fan, but this was the worst episode in a long while. It was like another remake of The Poseidon Adventure. And the drama with Jin/Sun... first there is the previously mentioned selfishness of a baby at home, but also you are only allowed so many Desmond/Penny Sayid/whoever love affairs per series and I buy that those more. Finally Sayid's death (who was really a more favorite character) became secondary.

    Was like a bad B movie.
     
  19. May 6, 2010 #179 of 303
    betts4

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    I would love to see this. The nice laid back 'dude' wins over all!
     
  20. May 6, 2010 #180 of 303
    philw1776

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    Regarding those observations that bullets don't penetrate unLocke's shirt whereas Sayid did with the dagger. They twice made a point about sing that particular dagger. It had properties allowing it to harm both MiB and Jacob. It's special, unlike regular bullets, etc.

    As the episode ended I wondered about the quirky plot line where Sun lost the ability to speak English. Posters here surmised that her inability was a 'leak' from the LAXuniverse. If so, maybe the unconscious Sawyer will wake up with some plot relevant LAXuniverse information from cop Sawyer. Otherwise, her temporary language loss was just to add emotion to her reunion with Jin where suddenly she could speak the English ranguage again.

    Although I'll miss Sayid, a fav of mine, I liked the way they hinted about his return from the Dark Side in the Desmond well scene and how his good side led him to die a hero.
     

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