LOST - The Candidate 5/4

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  1. May 5, 2010 #141 of 303
    Bananfish

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    So if "Whatever happened, happened" and "Whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas," then will you have really seen the finale once you leave Vegas?

    (Ouch, that hurts my head.)
     
  2. May 5, 2010 #142 of 303
    Bananfish

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    Guess I'm the first one in this thread to say:

    I couldn't be more thrilled that Jin and Sun are dead!

    Wow, did they ever waste a lot of time trying to make us care whether that cheatin' ho and that child-abandoner were together.
     
  3. May 5, 2010 #143 of 303
    Alfer

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    Not sure if this was asked about but in the scene where it was dark out and Jack came and rescued the crew...seconds later the whole group was seen out of breath from running away and it was broad daylight...why is that? I've seen this happen on 2-3 occasions I think.
     
  4. May 5, 2010 #144 of 303
    Shaunnick

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    Rather than spend a lot of time focusing on them running around the island they skip large chunks of time with night/day shifts so that it is understood that the losties have traveled quite a distance. I think.
     
  5. May 5, 2010 #145 of 303
    Alfer

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    I'd be able to go with that, but the way it was edited they were all so out of breath and the way it looked like they were just a little ways away from where they were...I'd think if it was meant to convey hours of walking they all wouldn't have look so out of breath as if they just just ran a marathon.

    Yeah I know it's just a technical glitch but it seemed so odd at the time..even my wife, who doesn't usually notice those things, said "wait it was just dark and now it's daytime..what's up with that?"

    Oh well....back to the usual tangled web of theories about what's coming up.

    :)
     
  6. May 5, 2010 #146 of 303
    unixadm

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    You are right...but if you think about it....we already know that Jacob and MiB have been there thousands of years...we know that Richard was there since the 1800's....The entire 1977 Darma Initiative, Others, pushing of the button, etc werejust a few seconds on the clock when compared to the whole picture of Jacob and MiB. None of that has much significance in the big picture story line with the exception of some of the people at each slot in time were candidates in Jacob's eye.

    If my prediction for the ending is right, then yes, it kind of sucks that all this time we invested in learning about Darma, the losties etc was all insignificant in the final ending, but I can't see it going much different. Then again, you look at any of our lives and compare it to the past 2000 years, we are just as insignificant.....no matter what, it is still a fun ride.
     
  7. May 5, 2010 #147 of 303
    MickeS

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    Yeah, I agree with this (though I would not go to far as to say that it was meaningless or that I feel conned). Even though each season has had its own theme and place in the overall arc of the story, this season's theme feels more disconnected to the overall story than the other ones did.
     
  8. May 5, 2010 #148 of 303
    Steveknj

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    You might be entirely right, and that's how it ends. But the story that us viewers care about are our Losties. To find out that everything we watched for 5 years is insignificant it the grand scheme of things is an insult to the viewers. It's like our lives are just a blink of an eye in the grand life of earth. But to us, our 80 years or so, and the events around that time is all that matters. We all will need closure as to WHY we saw five years of events and how they play into the final outcome. If Dharma was really an insignificant event, then why did I spend 3 or so years learning all about it.
     
  9. May 5, 2010 #149 of 303
    TheDewAddict

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    I have DirecTV, with their DVR. My parents have U-verse. I'll only be there for 2-3 months, so it's not worth it, especially in summer during repeat season.
     
  10. May 5, 2010 #150 of 303
    Alfer

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    So did anyone comment about alternate Locke muttering about pushing the button (or something like that) while he was asleep in the hospital?
     
  11. May 5, 2010 #151 of 303
    DevdogAZ

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    Can you set up an antenna and get the OTA signal in HD at your parent's house?
     
  12. May 5, 2010 #152 of 303
    scarpent

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    So, what if Jack hadn't looked in his pack on the sub right away? If Locke didn't know that Kate would be shot, the bag might have just sat there and... the bomb would not have gone off? Or did Flocke shoot Kate to make sure Jack would go into the sub to help her and look in his pack?
     
  13. May 5, 2010 #153 of 303
    uncdrew

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    Or it's a Smeagle thing. Jack is needed for something else.
     
  14. May 5, 2010 #154 of 303
    uncdrew

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    Yup.

    Unixadm gives a very plausable scenario, but if that's what we get from a group of people who get paid big bucks to write this for us...

    That'll suck.
     
  15. May 5, 2010 #155 of 303
    eMarkM

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    I think this pretty much sums it up, though still not sure how sideways world figures into it.

    We know there have been a lot of others that Jacob has brought to the island previously. In the past Jacob has been hands off and has allowed Smokey to trick everyone into killing each other in some way in the past. So this is all part of the game. Then Jacob recruits Richard to be his conduit of indirect influence and the "Others" are born. But now that Jacob is dead, if he can only get these candidates to kill each other, he's finally free.

    But Jacob does say "it only has to end once" in that first scene with MiB and I do think that will figure somehow in the end. Maybe that simply means one of them becomes Jacob v2.0, but I think somehow it will "end".
     
  16. May 5, 2010 #156 of 303
    Alfer

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    As for the whole Jin/Sun deal...no worries I guess.
     
  17. May 5, 2010 #157 of 303
    goMO

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    yeah, the Dharma stuff and the Others may be totally irrelevant. that would suck..

    And I still have no clue what Widmore wants..

    And is the fact that the island moves in space and time irrelevant also?? That donkey wheel was made a very, very long time ago, right? WhY?
     
  18. May 5, 2010 #158 of 303
    jkeegan

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    The Dharma story wasn't meaningless - it was an essential part of MiB's Rube-Goldberg-like plan to create a loophole with which to kill Jacob (which Jacob then piggybacked off of to set up one move further than MiB and ultimately defeat him somehow with Desmond and Jack).

    MiB impersonated Jacob in the cabin so he could tell Locke to move the island. Locke tells Ben, who moves it instead. Locke's still there, and MiB wants him off-island so he can die and be brought back by Jack so he can impersonate him and look important to con Richard into getting access to Jacob with Ben. So MiB breaks the donkey wheel, sends the island bouncing around in time, tells Richard in 2007 to tell Locke that he needs to leave the island and get his friends back, Locke tells Richard in 1950 that he's super special and will be his leader someday, Locke jumps to pre-Richard-arrival date, MiB as Christian tells Locke to turn the wheel and say hello to Jack for him, Locke jumps off, tries getting people back, as far as he knows fails, goes to commit suicide and is helped by Ben, Ben brings him back to the island with Jack, MiB impersonates Locke, gets access to Jacob, and kills him. Because of this plan of MiBs, the 1950s were involved.

    Jacob piggybacked on what MiB was doing by finding Jack/Kate/Sawyer/etc early in life and making sure they'd flash too when the island moved, and sent them to the 1970s. Them being there allowed the circumstances that led to the creation of the hatch with its countdown clock and code-accepting Apple ][ with an Execute button on it that Desmond would use. That brought 815 there in the first place. That maybe allowed the sideways to be created (indirectly?), which maybe is part of Jacob's one-step-ahead-of-MiB plan.

    What we do know (imho) is that Jacob had a long complicated plan that involved Richard, Ilana, and Jack, at the very least. Part of that history for Jack was being in the Dharma Initiative. It was part of what led them to be there.

    They mentioned Jacob as early as season three I think (in the room 23 video clip where it said to Carl's pried-opened eyes "God loves you as he loved Jacob"). They mentioned the black and white stones as early as the PILOT EPISODE OF THE SERIES, which I've been saying forever, where Locke showed those two backgammon pieces to Walt and talked about there being two sides - one light, and one dark.

    The main story line about good-vs-evil, Jacob-vs-MiB, has been in there since the very beginning. We just haven't been told every detail about that until now.
     
  19. May 5, 2010 #159 of 303
    mikieminnow

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    I kept you watching the show, didn't it? :)

    I for one have totally enjoyed the ride. I think that in the end, that's what it's all about. No deep meaning, no rocket science, just enjoying the ride.;)

     
  20. May 5, 2010 #160 of 303
    jkeegan

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    c'mon, spoiler tags..
     

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