LOST - The Candidate 5/4

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Paperboy2003, May 4, 2010.

  1. May 5, 2010 #81 of 303

    sshedlock Mr. Yuk

    May 14, 2004


    I'm going to be in Vegas on that Sunday, so I am sure I will find a good one.
  2. May 5, 2010 #82 of 303

    mmilton80 Custom User Title

    Jul 28, 2005
    I am debating this too. I watch LOST with my wife who likes to discuss connections during the show (thank god for TiVo and the pause). I cannot imagine watching with more people!
  3. May 5, 2010 #83 of 303

    GDG76 .

    Oct 2, 2000
    Jack might not have died, but everyone else could have if he had tampered with it.

    However, if all of them left it alone, I still think Kate, Sayid, one of the Kwons, and Lapidus still could have died since none of them are candidates.
  4. May 5, 2010 #84 of 303

    Alpinemaps New Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    San Diego, CA
    That was all Locke's plan. If Jack didn't throw him into the water, he would have stayed back anyway. Jack called it - Locke wanted them all to get into the sub, and wanted the bomb to go off (he knew Sawyer or Sayid would likely make the bomb go off). If he and everyone got on the plane, then he possible would have died (plane blows up over water), so that wasn't an option. He needed them to be separate from him, so they could all die.

    I think Richard's demo showed that Jack couldn't kill himself, not that they couldn't die at all. Jack lit the fuse, which is why the fuse burned out. He couldn't kill himself. If Jack had walked out of there, Richard would have been able to die. So, yes, they can kill one another. Sawyer screwing around with the bomb meant someone could die. If they had all just stood there, the bomb probably wouldn't have gone off (following the Richard example). But, Sayid took off with it, which allowed him to die, and caused the sub to breech, which allowed others to die as well.

    People were crossed out on that wall without having died. Death is not necessarily a reason to be crossed out. And you are right - she was crossed off on the wall, but not in the lighthouse.

    I'm with you. While I think it'd be fun to go to one of those parties (like the Jay and Jack one in Hollywood), it'd annoy me to no end. I want to watch the finale in peace, with my wife and the DVR remote in hand and a bowl of popcorn, and take it all in. I don't want 2, 10, 100, or 1000 other people gasping and crying around me.

    Jack handed one of the two portable air devices to Hurley, and told him to buddy breath to get Kate to the surface. I'd assume he'd do the same for Sawyer, too.
  5. May 5, 2010 #85 of 303

    appleye1 Active Member

    Jan 26, 2002
    Back From...


    I know people who are actually planning on going to a bar to watch the finale. Now that's lame!
  6. May 5, 2010 #86 of 303

    jkeegan Active Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    :up: :up: :up:

    same page
  7. May 5, 2010 #87 of 303

    DavidJL Member

    Feb 20, 2006
    Dana Point, CA
    Not that it matters much in the whole scheme of things, but I believe when Sayid stabbed Locke after receiving the dagger from Dogen, it did leave a whole in his shirt. :)
  8. May 5, 2010 #88 of 303

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    Yeah, I was expecting a witty type of "Ooops" comment from Sawyer when the watch started again. :p

    No way he was going to believe Jack. Heck, I almost didn't.
  9. May 5, 2010 #89 of 303

    thenightfly42 SeƱor Senior, Jr.

    Mar 5, 2002
    Which would indicate that Sun was the Candidate? Not that it matters anymore.
  10. May 5, 2010 #90 of 303

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    ...and getting out of that sub certainly doesn't mean getting back to their kid. These people know they're @#$!ed with a capital F.

    They're not getting off.
  11. May 5, 2010 #91 of 303

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Depends on if the others there are just coming for the social aspect, or to actually watch the show. :p I'm with you though, I'd rather watch it home alone...
  12. May 5, 2010 #92 of 303

    danterner Not it!

    Mar 4, 2005
    Greenacres, FL
    Totally on the same page. I am a little torn, though - while I don't want the distractions of other people, I do feel like this is the type of event that would warrant it. Kind of like watching the ball drop on New Year's Eve at home on TV versus being there live in Times Square. Ultimately, for practical reasons, I prefer the former. Yet each year I also kind of envy the people that do the latter.

    I remember watching the Cheers finale with a large group, while in college. I remember watching the Seinfeld finale with a group of strangers - we had moved into our new house that day and didn't have our cable hookup yet. Watched it on the clubhouse TV and made new friends.

    Maybe I'll split the difference by watching it live and participating in a live viewing thread (here, or on the Fuselage, or something like that). If it gets too distracting, I can just look away from the forum.

    I could have mis-seen it, but I think that while Jack was swimming up and out with Sawyer he was holding the portable O2 to Sawyer's face, not his own.
  13. May 5, 2010 #93 of 303

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    Yeah, Sawyer's "Get Smokey in the water" plan was strange. I expected Jack to run into the sub and yell "Sawyer, he's in the water" and then Sawyer would do something.

    What was that all about?
  14. May 5, 2010 #94 of 303

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    I watch alone.

    The C4 had to come from Widmore. Had to.

    If it had been something that Ben knew about all this time, there were dozens of events in which he would have used it. The thought of saving it for something better is crazy.
  15. May 5, 2010 #95 of 303

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Sounds like the usual Sawyer plan. :)

    I was wondering the same, until they showed that he had no intention of getting on the boat. Smokey didn't want to, obviously, and I don't know it would have helped much anyway.
    To me, it seemed like he stopped being a zombie after talking to Desmond. When he came back after that, he was changed, but kept playing the part to fool fake Locke. That's what it seemed like to me at least.
  16. May 5, 2010 #96 of 303

    Shaunnick Active Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Knoxville, TN
    I think Sawyer had inferred from his earlier discussion with fLocke that fLocke cannot change into smoke form in or over the water. So he probably figured if Jack could get him into the water that he would not be able to turn to smoke and attack everyone getting into the sub.
  17. May 5, 2010 #97 of 303

    mmilton80 Custom User Title

    Jul 28, 2005
    And when I watch alone, I prefer to be myself.
  18. May 5, 2010 #98 of 303

    NatasNJ Bone marrow lover!

    Jan 7, 2002
    Here is my thinking.

    We are in this flash sideways. And it seems that when people die they wake up to this real world sideways thing or something of that nature. (Juliet saying it worked etc...)
    What if Flocke is just the previous round of losties and learned they need to die to make this happen for them to wake up and have thier lives go back to normal but they can't kill themselves. Not sure how it all would work but something along those lines seems to be my guess for now.
  19. May 5, 2010 #99 of 303

    john4200 Well-Known Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    But why put the bomb in Jack's pack? Jack said twice that he was not going. Why would Locke assume that Jack's pack would even be on the sub for a few minutes, let alone remain on the sub once it submerged?

    Maybe Locke had two plans, either of which would satisfy him? If all the living candidates leave, then Locke could leave. So if Jack stayed, Locke needed to kill Jack with the bomb. If Jack left, then Locke would simply not get on the sub and the bomb could kill all the candidates, leaving Locke free to leave.

    Maybe that also explains why Locke did not let them get on the plane and be blown up by the C4. Jack would not have been on the plane, and Jack would then be the only remaining candidate, but Jack cannot kill himself and Locke cannot kill Jack, so then Locke would be stuck on the island forever.

    Except that this is all rather complicated and hard to believe. It would seem easier for Locke to arrange for Jack and the other candidates to be on the plane when the electrical systems are turned on, perhaps for a test, not the actual departure.
  20. May 5, 2010 #100 of 303

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I was thinking the same thing, but, if someone is having a party, I'd probably go, and I'm sure I'm going to rewatch this any number of times anyway, so it will all be good. Same it's not the Sunday before Memorial Day, because I could REALLY stay up and watch it over and over :)

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