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    Rob Helmerichs

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    I think the big problem with Journeyman was that it didn't have the Big Hook. While Lost turned out to be almost the exact opposite of high concept, seeming that way at first (airplane crash survivors stranded on a weird island) piqued people's interest, and of course opening with one of the best, most gripping half-hours in television history.

    Journeyman had a small hook, which was cool but not the kind of thing that's going to get a stranglehold on the American imagination right off the bat. And these days, that's what you really need...shows live or die based on the first episode or two. Which isn't fair, but it is what it is.
     
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    DevdogAZ

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    I loved Journeyman, and I love Fringe, and I'm still watching FlashForward. All of these shows tried to follow LOST in the cerebral category. Problem is, to really be "the next LOST," the show has to be very successful, and for one reason or another, none of these shows are. Journeyman was great, but nobody watched. Fringe is pretty good, occasionally great, but relatively few people watch it. FlashForward started brilliantly and then went south in a hurry, and nobody is watching it anymore.
     
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    pjenkins

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    that blog is great, couldn't stop laughing. my favorite part:

     
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    balboa dave

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    The Soup compares V vs. Lost.
     
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    mrdazzo7

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    I caught that on Friday, though it was hilarious. I wonder how long it took to compile all of those clips from both shows--look like they came from a variety of episodes.
     
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    Alias had my favorite pilot of all time. The problem was they weren't getting enough viewers, and so they dumbed it down to a typical spy show in an attempt to attract more. But that managed only to alienate a good portion of the few fans that there were.

    I think if Alias came out now it might have had a better chance because of the Web, and they might have been able to maintain the pace of the first couple seasons.

    The writers of Lost were smart in realizing that most people don't like feeling lost while watching shows. So they tricked people into thinking the show was mostly straightforward with a hint of mystery. Then, once people were sucked in, they amped up the mystery and plotlines by several orders of magnitude.

    I'm hoping that the writers have an ending that is satisfactory for most people because then perhaps people will be more willing to watch other more complex shows in the future, which will encourage more of those types of shows to be written. If the ending leaves most people even more confused than when they started watching, then that will instead turn people off to these types of shows.

    Either way, it is going to be a game-changer. Hopefully that change is for good.
     
  8. gchance

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    Wow, thanks for mentioning The Incredible Hulk, I've said for many years that its pilot was one of the best I'd ever seen. It really was a pilot (as opposed to being just the first episode of a series), originally just a 2-hour movie that they'd hoped would be picked up as a series, which it was.

    The first hour or even more didn't show the Hulk at all, it set up the situation where David Banner couldn't save his wife, his frustration, and his research into people exhibiting great strength. One scene in particular I remember is sort of a roundtable with people who'd been in that situation, explaining how they felt, why they felt that way, and David Banner taking notes.

    Anyway, thanks. :)

    Greg
     
  9. jkeegan

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    My favorite sequence of that entire pilot was right after David irradiated himself.. He went to try lifting a gurney(sp??) hoping he had more strength, then realized he wasn't any stronger. He was frustrated, walked outside to his car, saw it was raining, and got even more irritated.

    For the next 10 or so minutes (it felt that long anyway) the pressure mounted, with the music building up veeeeery slowly, him getting even more and more upset that those people at the roundtable had been able to save loved ones in moments of crisis but he couldn't, etc.

    By the time he made it outside in the rain and hurt his hand with the wrench the first time, the audience itself was ready to turn into the Hulk right along with David.

    Superbly done.. Absolutely loved it.

    Oh.. throw another show on the pile for great pilot episodes - Nowhere Man.
     
  10. danterner

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    They probably use something like a SnapStream - a professional DVR that not only can record TV but also keyword-search closed captions. Their largest can record 50 shows at once, and save 13 years of TV.
     
  11. MickeS

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    Of the shows mentioned here that had the potential to be "the next Lost", I think "Journeyman" was the only one that, ratings and popularity aside, WAS the "new Lost" for me when it came to actual show content. I am still very, very disappointed about its cancellation.
     
  12. vman

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    of course, the counterpoint is Battlestar Galactica, which had an awesome pilot and first couple episodes, before going off a cliff.
     
  13. jkeegan

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    Right, I'm by no means saying that a great pilot equals a great show. I'm saying that the best shows have had great pilots.
     
  14. getreal

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    A lot of guys agree about the "gripping" ... :cool:

    I think it is difficult for any new show to become and maintain cultural phenomenon status while another phenomenon is still playing itself out.

    Twin Peaks.
    Sopranos.
    LOST.
    Maybe one needs to be completed before another can emerge.
     
  15. mrdazzo7

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    What's also an issue is that Lost got away with hooking "non-scifi" people into from the word go, but I think the 10-12 million viewers that have died off as the show got more and more sci-fi kind of learned their lesson, and might be reluctant to tune into new serialized shows for fear that they might go the same route (start off mainstream then change). I think lost got away with it but most shows won't.

    Also wanted to give a shout out to Alias--The the first two seasons of that show remain some of the best TV I've ever seen. Didn't like 3 or 4, and loved the last half of season five. You could tell that they were in a tricky spot though--leave it convoluted and risk getting no viewers, or try to make it more "accessable" for new viewers. Unfortunately, TV is a business built on ad sales so network shows don't always have the creative freedom they should, which sucks.
     
  16. jkeegan

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    27 hours, 53 minutes left.
     
  17. Church AV Guy

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    The Finale was terrible. Not as bad as Enterprise, but very bad indeed. Alias had its ups and downs, but I watched it all, even the finale (wish I hadn't--really!).

    I have no doubt that Lost will not suffer this problem. Monday Morning will have a lot of outraged people if it does. The team of C&L will probably have to leave the country!:D
     
  18. MickeS

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    According to EW, C&L will maintain "radio silence" for a while following the show, letting people interpret the ending as they want. It sounded as if they are expecting people to be a bit peeved or disappointed... but no matter how they end it, they would have disappointed many.
     
  19. DevdogAZ

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    Exactly. With a show like this, no matter how good the finale is, there will be tens of thousands of people that are disappointed. It's inevitable. There are simply too many unanswered questions and too many loose ends for them to satisfactorily answer everything, and based on some interviews I've read, they're really not going to try. They've said in an interview that the only answer they really owe to the fans is how the flash sideways and the Island timeline fit together.
     
  20. gchance

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    The way I see it, C&L just don't want to be clobbered with a million questions. They want the finale to stand on its own, good, bad, or otherwise. I think that's fair.

    Greg
     

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