LOST - The Candidate 5/4

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  1. May 7, 2010 #241 of 303
    mrdazzo7

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    Therein lies the problem as well. I think the reality is that no show will ever rival the complexity/insanity/awesomeness of Lost because Lost has already done it. I just can't see anything else being so intricate and layered and innovative in the way Lost has done. Like mentioned, six years in and no complaints over constantly rehashing plot lines, very few cliches, the height of "serial" TV. I find most other stuff simply isn't as interesting.

    Believe me, I know the show has had problems, it's not perfect. But very few shows have done what they've done, and I don't think any will in the future (especially seeing the kind of garbage that rolls out each season).
     
  2. May 8, 2010 #242 of 303
    vman

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    Tell that to Jin and Sun!
     
  3. May 8, 2010 #243 of 303
    mrdazzo7

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    I've had a really busy week and I kid you not I was sitting at work today (almost four days later) and out of nowhere I was just like "wait did they seriously kill Jin, Sun, AND Sayid at one time? I don't think it actually registered. I don't know if I've ever seen a show where 3 original, huge characters get killed in one scene.

    I think I'm kind of pissed about it. I've always liked all three of them and wanted them to make it til the very end. I really wish Jin survived because it would make the coming fight that much more intense. Everyone currently alive lost friends, sure, but if Jin survived that **** would be 1000 times more personal. Plus they could have him return to Ji-Yeon. Oh well. I was really hoping for Sayid to turn good and kick some MIB ass though.

    Also I've seen some talk in here that Locke might have had a hand in Kate's shooting--I think that would be retarded for a lot of reason, but I just re-watched the scene and there's no way. Jack pushes Locke in the water, Kate turns around to see what happened and BAM. MIB is under water.

    I'm chalking him giving the bomb to Jack and expecting him to get on the sub as one of those things the writers had to do to make the scene work. It's not logical, it's not calculating, it just is.
     
  4. May 8, 2010 #244 of 303
    wprager

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    The whole idea of a replacement can very well be Jacob's misdirection to MiB. While MiB is furiously trying to get all the remaining candidates killed off, in order to carry out his loophole, Jacob has found another loophole that ends the game, rather than prolonging it.
     
  5. May 8, 2010 #245 of 303
    jking

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    I wouldn't be too quick to say that. You know that network executives are chomping at the bit right now to find the next Lost, and now that it's been proven a show like this can work, and that the television audience is "smart enough" to follow this kind of show, they will be greenlighting anything and everything. Sure, there will be more misses than hits along the way. And let's not forget all the very talented writers out there who I'm sure are chomping at the bit to become the next Darlton.

    It's kind of like 15 years ago saying there would never be another Michael Jordan. Now we have Lebron. Why is Lebron so great? Because he had MJ as inspiration. Same reason why there (could be) another Lost in our future. I can't wait.
     
  6. May 8, 2010 #246 of 303
    DevdogAZ

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    Unfortunately for us, that's not likely to happen. The networks have been looking for that "next Lost" for six years, and they continue to fail. I think they've mostly concluded that they can make more money from reality shows and cookie-cutter procedurals. Every attempt to duplicate the cerebral nature of Lost has fallen flat on its face.
     
  7. May 8, 2010 #247 of 303
    philw1776

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    Yes, ABC's Flash Forward comes to mind. Poorly done.
     
  8. May 8, 2010 #248 of 303
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The big problem is they keep trying to find the next Lost. But Lost wasn't the next anything; if they want to find the next Lost, they have to find something that is entirely its own thing. And that goes against Hollywood's instincts, since statistically things that are their own thing tend to suck even more often than things that are the next something else. And Hollywood is all about maximizing the odds.

    (The guy who green-lit Lost at ABC even got fired.)
     
  9. May 8, 2010 #249 of 303
    mrdazzo7

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    Also the fact is that if Lost did the numbers from season five and six in season one, it probably wouldn't have seen multiple seasons. They got lucky because they started out as a main-stream mystery show, and because of that were able to get huge numbers early on. But you can see that as the show got crazier, the numbers more or less plummeted, but they had locked in the fan base by that point.

    The problem now is that Lost has already done what it did, so no new show for a while is gonna have the same effect. Now when people tune into a serialized show, they're not patient and not showing up in big numbers because if it's not absolutely mind-blowing in the first episode, people tune out. Look at V--if I remember right it had the biggest premiere out of every new show in the fall--that's a big deal. Now they're lucky if they average six million viewers, which is not enough to justify what I'm sure is a huge budget.

    It sucks because after shows like Lost and 24, regular TV just isn't as engaging/interesting. I have no interest in any hour-long show that wraps up the story and has no real character development (Criminal Minds being the exception), and I pretty much despise anything "reality". Those two shows ending at the same time definitely sucks .
     
  10. May 8, 2010 #250 of 303
    Philosofy

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    Lost was the next X Files. A show with plenty of mystery and back story, but Lost took it further by peeling back layers of mystery, like an onion, whereas X Files had no plan, just mystery upon mystery, until the viewers gave up on ever finding anything out.

    The funny thing is, we had the next Lost. It was called Heroes, and the first season was awesome. Then the network suits starting calling the story, and it went downhill real fast.
     
  11. May 8, 2010 #251 of 303
    DevdogAZ

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    I disagree with this and think this is a big misconception. While it's true that LOST's ratings have fallen and it doesn't draw the same number of viewers as it did in the first couple of seasons, it's still one of the highest rated shows on TV, and if it debuted this year with the numbers it's currently getting, it would definitely have been renewed. For it's last new episode (before this one), it was the 8th highest rated show of the week, and 5th highest among scripted shows. I think when this week's numbers are all finalized, even with May sweeps starting and all the other shows being new, you'll see that LOST is still one of the top 10 scripted shows on TV in terms of ratings.
     
  12. May 8, 2010 #252 of 303
    sushikitten

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    We finally watched this tonight and I am still in awe. Complete and utter awe.
     
  13. May 9, 2010 #253 of 303
    Wil

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    Like, never. This is not a series that can survive any rational scrutiny. Yet here we are. Here, beyond belief, am I. Must be something good going on here, beneath the surface (so to speak), profound. Yeah, that's the ticket!
     
  14. May 9, 2010 #254 of 303
    T-Wolves

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    What about Fringe? It does tend to have self-contained episodes, but it has an excellent "big-picture" story as well. And they really seem to be hitting their stride with that show lately. That series has the same "what the heck is going on here?" factor as Lost does for occasional viewers.

    I think Flash Forward probably would've done quite well if that show had a better writing staff, and maybe a few better casting choices. Steve Taylor from Coupling as a quantum physicist? Really?


    FWIW, I still love "Law & Order."
     
  15. May 9, 2010 #255 of 303
    Rob Helmerichs

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    But Fringe isn't exactly a hit. In fact, because of its bad ratings there was some surprise that it was renewed for Season 3.

    To be the next Lost, a show would have to be a cultural phenomenon, not just another quirky show a few geeks are into.
     
  16. May 9, 2010 #256 of 303
    gchance

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    Lost became a cultural phenomenon QUICKLY, like within the first few episodes. It's going to be a long time before that happens again.

    Greg
     
  17. May 9, 2010 #257 of 303
    jkeegan

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    I've realized that of all of my favorite shows I've ever watched, they ALL hit it out of the park with the pilot. Lost, The Sopranos, The West Wing, The Incredible Hulk, etc. Even Alias (although they really dropped the ball).

    Sure, there have been many other shows, some of which I've liked, which didn't have great pilots. But in general, they never grew to be my favorites.

    That's the writer's best chance to sell their show. If they can't do it with the pilot, they won't with a regular old episode that has tighter time constraints, etc.
     
  18. May 9, 2010 #258 of 303
    T-Wolves

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    Yes, agreed. But among the shows currently on the air (that I am aware of), Fringe seems to be the best candidate for a "Lost-like" show.

    I hated the Sports Night pilot, but the series is one of my all-time favorites. I've learned to give a new show 2-3 episodes before writing it off. One example this year is Parenthood -- I couldn't stand the pilot, but I gave it a few more episodes because it had Erika Christensen and Peter Krause. And now I love the show, even though I am not a parent myself.

    Then again, I've watched all 3 episodes of Alyssa Milano's Romantically Challenged this season, and I don't think I'll be able to force myself to watch another.

    I do agree that the pilot is the best shot at grabbing an audience and making them want to stick around for more.
     
  19. May 9, 2010 #259 of 303
    dianebrat

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    I really thought Journeyman had potential to be that next slow smoldering hit, it mixed the mystery and science, and then added a HUGE chunk of romance, all while being pretty accessible with it's mystery of the week.

    yeah.. I know that didn't turn out so well, I'm still missing it..

    Diane
     
  20. May 9, 2010 #260 of 303
    macrho

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    as long as this show doesn't pull a fade to black sopranos nonsense and has some conclusion i'll be happy

    my guess -- something to have a movie conclusion
     

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