LOST - The Candidate 5/4

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  1. May 6, 2010 #221 of 303
    Roadblock

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    My issue is not so much with the current storyline, but with the numerous misleads and side stories from previous seasons that were created to make the island mysterious, but in the end meant absolutely nothing. When I go back and watch previous seasons, it will take away much of the excitement to know that those things serve no purpose. Sure, I enjoyed the ride for the most part, but I can't agree that this is a grand resolution to the series that ties it all together.

    I paid plenty of attention to these apparently meaningless things:

     
  2. May 6, 2010 #222 of 303
    Fl_Gulfer

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    uncdrew

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    I'm with you.

    I'm hoping for much better.
     
  4. May 7, 2010 #224 of 303
    T-Wolves

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    For me, there are 3 mysteries:
    1. What is the Island?
    2. What is the Jacob vs. MIB story?
    3. How will the above 2 answers tie into a satisfactory resolution to the series?

    My worry is that we will get resolution to the Jacob/MIB story, but what the Island is and how/why it got that way will remain a mystery (paving the way for future movies/shows/etc.).

    FYI, my copy of Entertainment Weekly (titled "THE END OF LOST") arrived in the mail today. It has a 37-page section (including ads) devoted solely to Lost. Some really good articles in there, and no real blatant spoilers, although if you read between the lines, you can make some guesses about themes in the finale. They supposedly printed 10 different covers for this issue -- mine had Hurley on the front. The best article is a multi-pager about how the pilot got made, with comments from JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof, and several of the cast members. Also a great article (and excellent picture!) about (and with comments by) some of the cast members killed-off along the way (Boone, Libby, Naomi, Ethan, Michael, Arzt, Rousseau, Charlotte, and Juliet).

    Some interesting stuff from the mag -- no big revelations, but I'll spoiler-tag it all anyway.
    Old friends returning:
    Boone, Shannon, and Juliet will be seen again.
    Matthew Fox says of the finale:
    "I think it's beautiful. If we all did our jobs right, I really feel it's going to be terribly sad, but at the same time be really cathartic and full of hope. It has the potential to be really profound. I will say this: It's not going to be what anybody thinks it is. I know a lot of people have written a lot of theories about how this will all end --- and I'm pretty sure nobody guessed it."
    Josh Holloway says of the finale:
    "My original theory was that the Island was purgatory. Now I don't know. I know I think something, but I'm still trying to think through what it is I think I know!"
    Regarding the deaths in the most recent episode:
    No mention is made of Lapidus (pilot) being dead. The other names (Sayid, Jin, & Sun) are mentioned, but not "Chesty." An odd omission, IMO.
     
  5. May 7, 2010 #225 of 303
    BitbyBlit

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    Discuss together; watch alone.

    Interesting theory. I wonder if that is Jacob's "loophole". Everyone focuses on Jack as the replacement, but Hugo is there to end the game once and for all.

    I think Flocke had a hand in Kate getting shot, even if he didn't pull the trigger.

    If he can't turn into Smokey when in the water, then I think it might also apply even when he's wet. Perhaps Sawyer had that same thought, so even though Flocke might have been able to quickly climb out of the water, Sawyer figured he still wouldn't be able to turn into Smokey.
     
  6. May 7, 2010 #226 of 303
    mulscully

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    I like the idea of Hurley being the wildcard that's going to end the cycle, Desmond will play a part of course, but I think Hurley will be the cycle ender.
     
  7. May 7, 2010 #227 of 303
    goMO

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    why has Jacob been looking for a successor? Just in case MiB found a loophole? If he says it only ends once, does he really need a successor?
     
  8. May 7, 2010 #228 of 303
    tgrim1

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    I think so too. Hurley is still presumably still carrying around a bag of Jacob ashes for some reason, although I dont know how effective they are wet.
     
  9. May 7, 2010 #229 of 303
    T-Wolves

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    My original theory this season was that Hurley would save the world by proving to the extraterrestrials (that originally left Jacob/MIB here) that mankind was worthy of saving. Hurley is the one truly "good" candidate, so it seemed that if it came down to proving that "man is good," Hurley would be your guy.

    I've given up on the extraterrestrial storyline, and the Island being their spaceship (that can't leave until humans are off of it), but I think Hurley is still going to be a big part of the end-game.
     
  10. May 7, 2010 #230 of 303
    getreal

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    Wouldn't it be nice if all the main characters get good lives off the island and Widmore, who has lusted for the island for years, gets stuck guarding MiB "ab aeterno"?

    I believe Smokey has been flying around during rainstorms. But I also think the characters thought that pushing Flocke into the water would slow him down from turning into Smokey..
     
  11. May 7, 2010 #231 of 303
    jkeegan

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    Ooh, maybe they left a hint of that earlier..

    Maybe the two guys in the ice cold frozen outpost playing chess is a hint that that's what Jacob and MiB are - two guys way away from their home, stationed on an "outpost" on earth (the island), for a loooong time...
     
  12. May 7, 2010 #232 of 303
    jkeegan

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    Btw another reason that I think MiB wouldn't want to be in water as smokey is because he's short out.. He's got electricity flowing/crackling through him.

    Humans? We're waterproof. :)
     
  13. May 7, 2010 #233 of 303
    danterner

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    I'm sure this has been discussed before, but the whole thing with Hurley reminds me of the Book of Job, with Hurley as Job. He's basically a guy that has suffered through a series of very unfortunate faith-testing events. Remember all his bad luck stemming from the numbers? It was like he was repeatedly being tested. We've kind of moved away from that, but it was a central aspect to the development of his character. My recollection is that the Book of Job begins with a conversation between God and Satan (reminiscent of the beachside conversation between Jacob and MIB at the end of Season 5, perhaps?) regarding Job, a man of great wealth. He's stripped of his wealth and health as a test, but ultimately proves himself and winds up rewarded with great longevity -- he lives on for another 140 years. (Actually, this makes me think more that Richard, not Hurley, is the Job archetype. Isn't 140 years the length of time Richard has lived on?)
     
  14. May 7, 2010 #234 of 303
    Keen

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    Yeah, as of 2007, he's been on the island for 140 years.
     
  15. May 7, 2010 #235 of 303
    Bananfish

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    Perhaps the island is something akin to the monoliths in 2001: A Space Odyssey -- an extraterrestrial "probe" that tests when the earth/mankind is ready for the next step of intergalactic interaction. When mankind puts an end to the Jacob/MIB game by showing goodness, it is ready.
     
  16. May 7, 2010 #236 of 303
    philw1776

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    My theory was therefore MiB was French, but when he smashed the bottle of wine that Jake gave him, I abandoned it.

    Wait...maybe it was inferior California wine...
     
  17. May 7, 2010 #237 of 303
    Philosofy

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    What seems to be unique about Lost is that here we are, years later, waiting for the finale, and nobody knows what its all about. In most stories, you wonder if something will happen (will Frodo destroy the ring?), or you get thrown a loop with something unexpected (The Sixth Sense.) But I can't think of any other story, book, movie, or TV show where, near the end, you still have no idea what the story is all about, but are still engaged in the story.
     
  18. May 7, 2010 #238 of 303
    JYoung

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    We've seen Fake Locke display minor telekinetic abilities (when he removed Ben's shackle).

    It's not that much of a leap to think that he might have given an already airborne bullet a minor TK shove into Kate's shoulder, knowing Jack would rush to her side.
     
  19. May 7, 2010 #239 of 303
    tewcewl

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    This is exactly the aspect of the show that has intrigued me the most. I find it absolutely amazing that six years down the line, we're still guessing on what happens next instead of bemoaning repeated plotlines or whatever. I think this is what will ensure LOST going down into history as one of the classics and one that broke many narrative molds on television.
     
  20. May 7, 2010 #240 of 303
    tewcewl

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    I don't think the island, what it is, is so entirely important that it needs to be explained nor can it ever really be explained to anybody's satisfaction. I'm satisfied that it is just a location where all of this stuff is going down.
     

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