LOST - The Candidate 5/4

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  1. May 6, 2010 #201 of 303

    Keen Member

    Aug 2, 2009
    Minneapolis, MN


    I know, the problem was you're implying there's something special about that dagger that allows it to hurt Jacob and Smokey, when we know regular daggers can hurt Jacob.
  2. May 6, 2010 #202 of 303

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    Yet Flocke didn't get hurt by falling in the water. I was waiting for something to happen when Jack pushed him in.

    The black/white - good/evil bit was around from the pilot. It came up a lot in the first season.

    I for one, am not going to be surprised if all the little bits are not resolved. I feel like we were on a voyage that was sort of like the Arabian nights - a story that was added on to and added on to so the reader/viewer was entertained.
  3. May 6, 2010 #203 of 303

    danterner Not it!

    Mar 4, 2005
    Greenacres, FL
    This is very interesting. I've been trying to wrap my head around the rules that apply with regard to Flocke and water. I agree that Ben probably just drained the water, clearing the way for Flocke to come in. I hadn't caught, though, that there was an instance where James offered Flocke a drink and Flocke meaningfully declined. Have we never seen Flocke take a drink (from a canteen/water bottle, etc?) If not, it adds another layer to the Jacob/MIB scene where Jacob gives MIB the corked flask in almost a taunting way.
  4. May 6, 2010 #204 of 303

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

    Apr 19, 2004
    East Moline, IL
    Didn't Jin say "I'll never leave you" (or something like that) in Korean in the last moments(?) of their lives?
  5. May 6, 2010 #205 of 303

    Bananfish Preowned Member

    May 16, 2002
    Belmont, CA


    It did look to me like he struggled a bit getting up on the pier, as if he was fatigued by being in the water .... but there certainly didn't appear to be any significant or permanent delerious effects.

    Exposure to water could have some other unseen consequence, like affecting his ability to transform into Smoky or to unlock and remove shackles using the Jedi Mind Trick.
  6. May 6, 2010 #206 of 303

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Only think I can say is, money talks. For the right amount of money, I wouldn't be surprised if CC/DL did a movie. Brett Favre said he was retiring too, and it was final (and he came back twice!!)
  7. May 6, 2010 #207 of 303

    jkeegan Active Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    I expected something too, but not seeing anything special happen, we learned something.. We learned that either he can't change to smoke when he's in the water (but he can stay in Locke form), or maybe that he lied to James to make him think there was something bad about water to him so that James would feel that it was even possible to hatch a plan to steal the sub.
  8. May 6, 2010 #208 of 303

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    One difference is that when Bret retired, there was nothing else for him to do that was as exciting as being a QB. So he went back to being a QB.

    CC/DL are already working on their next project. They can create as many new concepts/pilots as their imagination allows--individually or together. So they can "retire from LOST" and still pursue their creativity, their passion. Bret couldn't.

    Plus... no one believed Bret, and CC/DL have never given us any reason to not believe them.
  9. May 6, 2010 #209 of 303

    jkeegan Active Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    By the way, the water / MiB thing would fit in really well with the whole Wizard of Oz mythology, since Dorothy threw water at the Wicked Witch of the West, who being made of brown sugar, melted. All of the witches henchmen, instead of being mad at Dorothy, were all happy that they were now "free". (That's what MiB suggested that Bram & friends should have felt now that Jacob was dead)
  10. May 6, 2010 #210 of 303

    Rinkdog New Member

    Dec 21, 2005
    The one thing no one has discussed is the sub is now gone and so is the pilot for the plane.
  11. May 6, 2010 #211 of 303

    Bananfish Preowned Member

    May 16, 2002
    Belmont, CA
    Which to my way of thinking, puts an end to the second major story arc of this final season - the first being the events at the Temple (i.e., FLocke v. Dogen and crew), and the second being FLocke's Pied Piper attempt to get the Losties/candidates to the plane/sub and kill them (which until this episode, we as viewers also had to consider a possible Losties' island exit).

    Now that the sub and plane are useless for leaving the island (well, never say never, this is Lost after all) and any notions that FLocke might not be an evil force have gone up in smoke (heh), we're embarking on another, and presumably the final, story arc - the denouement (or, I think, Jacob v. FLocke).
  12. May 6, 2010 #212 of 303

    Supfreak26 Go Cowboys!

    Dec 12, 2003
    McKinney, TX
    Maybe MIB's aversion to water is just another way of showing us that he's trapped on the island. He can't turn into smoke and fly over it. He can't swim in it for long without suffering ill effects (still unkown to us.) So the ocean acts as the prison bars to his cell.

    Although that's pointless if he can't leave unless all of the candidates are dead or with him.
  13. May 6, 2010 #213 of 303

    Roadblock New Member

    Apr 5, 2006
    +1. The show's still entertaining this season, but for me it's like watching the end of The X-Files, a convoluted attempt to answer too many questions.

    FYP. How can it be called the main story line when only a miniscule portion of it was shown in the early seasons? Again, I like the show. It's better than most of the crap on TV. But I don't buy that it's all been planned out from the beginning.
  14. May 6, 2010 #214 of 303

    getreal postcrastinator

    Sep 29, 2003
    I think you meant "leary" or "wary". "Weary" means they were exhausted. :)

    What if the Kwon's child is the Kwon candidate?
    And Aaron was supposed to be more significant, wasn't he?
    Same with Walt.
    Alas, it would seem that the children of LOST are a neglected group.
  15. May 6, 2010 #215 of 303

    jkeegan Active Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    Have you been paying attention? Jacob and MiB's main struggle has been that MiB believes people always fight and destroy and that their very nature is to be corrupt. Jacob disagrees. So Jacob brings people to the island, to show MiB that some people are good.

    THE CHARACTERS WE'VE BEEN WATCHING SINCE SEASON ONE ARE THOSE PEOPLE!!! The show has always been about them.. We just didn't know why they were there. THIS IS WHY. Since season one we've watched characters struggle between good and evil.. The entire time! There's nothing "new" here except the reveal of the secret - that they're actually there for a reason!

    The battle between good and evil in ALL of these characters hasn't Bern just shown a "miniscule" part of the time - it's permeated the entire show! All we know now is that their lives and struggles were showcased for more than just us the audience - but also for MiB. And we've seen MiB - the smoke monster - since the pilot epiosode of the series!! They've talked about Jacob since season 2!

    Seriously, pay attention more. And don't go "fixing" my posts, thank you very much - they don't need fixing.
  16. May 6, 2010 #216 of 303

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Sorry, but I disagree. While the main characters may have been struggling with good vs. evil from the beginning, the viewers were watching a mystery where the mysterious elements included polar bears, 1970s communal scientific organizations, hidden bunkers, mysterious natives, strange electromagnetic properties, Islands that can move in time and space, etc. All of these elements were intriguing and interesting and seemed to be integral to the overarching mystery. Now, they're suddenly going to tell us that, while all of that may have been fun, none of it had anything to do with the ultimate resolution of the mystery. If that's what happens, I call BS.
  17. May 6, 2010 #217 of 303

    mrdazzo7 Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Keegan, did you type that out on a Droid? I can't stand when it spell checks like that, haha. My text messages are always confusing.

    I'm in the middle of this argument. I think the show has always been about good and evil, and this is the mythology behind that, but I think it's crazy to think that every single details was planned out forever. Like mentioned, Walt was always this huge piece, but turned out for no reason. Aaron might still be "the key to everything" as was alluded, but I doubt it. Stuff like who exactly the Others are and the extent of their operation ("I thought you were on assignment in Canada"), etc. There are plenty of things that don't add up or didn't go anywhere but it happens.

    I think the major framework of the mythology (what we're seeing now) was always there. Maybe not when they wrote the pilot but definitely from the beginning.
  18. May 6, 2010 #218 of 303

    gchance 4 8 15 16 23 42

    Dec 6, 2002
    Olivehurst, CA
    Every single detail? Nope. The big picture details? Yes.

    Locke: "There are two sides. One black, one white."

    You can deny it all you want, but this has been there from the beginning.

  19. May 6, 2010 #219 of 303

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Of course the struggle between good and evil has been a theme from the beginning. But if we get to the end and it turns out that Dharma and The Others and the Temple and Jughead and pushing the button and the blast door map, etc., etc., etc. was just a waste of time and had nothing to do with the Jacob vs. MiB story, then that will be pretty lame, especially if DL/CC knew about Jacob/MiB way back at the beginning.
  20. May 6, 2010 #220 of 303

    unixadm Super Moderator Staff Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    Wichita, KS
    I agree....the entire series has been about the people of Oceanic flight 815, what brought them to the island and what their purpose was there....there were conflicts with the Others, with Ben, then with people of the Darma Initiative after they started moving in time....their interactions, decisions and actions all changed what was happening to them on the island.

    Now we are seeing that there was a bigger picture..one that was alluded to all through the years.....and that the survivors of Oceanic flight 815 were pawns in a game between Jacob and MiB...(or in my guess, that they were chose as candidates to replace Jacob to keep MiB jailed on the island). We've wanted to know why they were there and now we are finding out. This doesn't diminish the storyline or what we've invested our time in watching all these years. In the end, THESE people, the ones we've been watching from the beginning, are the most important people in the big story....since one of them WILL become Jacob's replacement and end the game. And looking at this season, hopefully the rest will then go and live in their original reality (what we are calling the "sideways" timeline) while the "chosen" ends up fulfilling their destiny of staying on the island.

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