LOST - The Candidate 5/4

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  1. May 6, 2010 #181 of 303
    Talon

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    I agree with others here about how it kind of sucks that nearly everything storywise is not related much to the main arc of Jacob vs MIB. I said as much in the thread about the last episode and why the show is not as great to me anymore. But its still enjoyable and they may surprise me in the end.

    Still, I did like this episode. It had a fast pace and a lot going on. I hate that Jin and Sun are gone, especially Sun. She was nice to look at.

    I just hope that in these last few episodes they can find a way to relate some of the past season storylines into Jacob vs MIB. I do think Jack is the replacement, he has made it clear he has it in his head that he is supposed to stay there. Nobody else feels that way. But, OTOH, couldn't Locke have let him die on the beach when it was shelled?

    To what someone said earlier about Jack in the hospital hallway, I think he definitely noticed Jin.
     
  2. May 6, 2010 #182 of 303
    Keen

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    Jacob wasn't killed with that dagger. He was killed with some random dagger Flocke had on him.
     
  3. May 6, 2010 #183 of 303
    Steveknj

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    I thought it was interesting (and probably done for our benefit) that their native language being Korean, they spoke English to each other in their dying moments.
     
  4. May 6, 2010 #184 of 303
    Steveknj

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    I said this after the last episode of last season when they were setting this season up. It's actually a bit better than I expected, but, if they don't logically tie up 5 years worth of viewing into the whole arc, I'll be a bit peeved. Not enough to write the series off as a waste of time, but it will give me a "Sopranos ending" feeling.

    Anyone think they may leave a few things unresolved because they might be planning a movie?
     
  5. May 6, 2010 #185 of 303
    Rob Helmerichs

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    ...although (rarely for a Big Network Show) they've never been shy about having them speak Korean...
     
  6. May 6, 2010 #186 of 303
    jkeegan

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    In a time model where things can't change (there's only one set of events.. what happened happened), you can still have things that are caused by future events.. you can even have things caused by themselves.. It seems counter-intuitive because of our lifetime of experience with cause and effect, but nothing in physics prevents it.. One example that's usually given is that if you created a wormhole, somehow moved one side (A) of the wormhole near the speed of light for a while, then moved it back near the first side (B), one side would be ahead of the other. If you put side B in the pocket of a pool table and side A on the surface of the table, it'd be perfectly ok according to physics if you hit a ball aimed to the side of B, while it was moving towards B and still on the table a future version of the ball comes out of A and hits B on its path, and knocks the current version of the ball into B, sending it back in time to come out at A and hit the previous version of the ball into B.

    You hit the nail on the head though, it's certainly INTERESTING. It's particularly cool that in 2007 MiB, AS FLocke (who he could only impersonate since they already brought Locke's body back to the island), tells Richard to tell RealLocke that after he bounces to the past he should go off island (so he can die so he can be brought back to the island so that MiB can even look like FLocke at all, to even be able to do that). No question about it, the result leads to the cause, instead of the cause leading to the result. But that's perfectly ok according to physics.

    Locke was brought to the island in 2007, and after that MiB took on his shape. He THEN told Richard to tell original time-jumping Locke that he needed to eventually (in the past, but which Locke hadn't experienced yet) leave the island, which lead to him being off island earlier in 2007, dying, and coming back.
     
  7. May 6, 2010 #187 of 303
    Steveknj

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    Yes, I thought that, which is why I thought it was a bit strange. They've spoken Korean exclusively through many episodes, especially early in the series (and the one flash sideways this year).
     
  8. May 6, 2010 #188 of 303
    philw1776

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    I'm referring to that same dagger that MiB gave Ricardo to kill Jacob in the 1800s
     
  9. May 6, 2010 #189 of 303
    cheesesteak

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    How long has Desmond been in that well? He's going to have to go to the bathroom eventually, spoiling his water supply.
     
  10. May 6, 2010 #190 of 303
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    Am I mis-remembering this, or did at some point Ben have to more or less unleash the smoke monster to save them in the Others' barracks? This would have been when Widmore's mercs came to the island trying to kill everyone. If Ben has control over the smoke monster or can at least call upon him in times of need, there would seem to be some sort of relationship.

    Also, if Widmore's initial plan succeeded and the mercs killed everyone on the island, couldn't MIB just leave - contrary to Widmore's supposed end game? Or is this not so because it pre-dated Jacob dying?
     
  11. May 6, 2010 #191 of 303
    Steveknj

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    Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but did Widmore's mercenaries REALLY want to kill everyone on the Island or did Ben just SAY they did? We know for a fact he wanted to kill Ben.
     
  12. May 6, 2010 #192 of 303
    aindik

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    Ben called in the smoke monster to kill Widmore's goons. As we now know, killing Widmore's goons is something the smoke monster wanted to do anyway. I don't think Ben could tell it to do that (although that's what Ben thought he was doing). It just presented an opportunity.

    Ben kept saying that Widmore wanted to kill "every living thing" on this island. Are we still supposed to believe that, or are we to take everything Ben ever said as the ramblings of misinformed middle management?
     
  13. May 6, 2010 #193 of 303
    DevdogAZ

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    The worst part about them not speaking Korean in that scene is that the last time they saw each other, Jin couldn't speak English. So Sun suddenly getting her English back in that moment made no sense, because it's the first moment in several days (story wise) when she'd actually be able to speak to someone in Korean and have them understand her.
     
  14. May 6, 2010 #194 of 303
    astrohip

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    I have faith that the story they are telling will make sense over the entire six years of episodes.

    I don't think Jack is the replacement because (as others have stated, and I agree), I think they are going for closure. Not another cycle, but closure. Jacob's line is key, "It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress."

    In a word, no. Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof have made it clear that when this last episode airs, they are done. Absolutely. Totally. Done. No movie, no nothing. They've said it over and over. (And by the way, word has it they finished editing the final episode earlier this week!)

    Having said that... ABC owns the rights to LOST, not CC/DL. ABC can do whatever it wants, including movies, prequels, Chicken Shack spinoffs.
     
  15. May 6, 2010 #195 of 303
    DevdogAZ

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    Which is why they suddenly had to add 30 minutes to the finale. They couldn't edit together everything tight enough to fit it into two hours.

    My guess is that they saved so many reveals for the finale, that once they shot the whole thing and tried to edit it all together, it was simply too much for two hours of TV, and they couldn't leave stuff out, because these were the answers to the whole series. And with the prices ABC is charging for ads during the finale, I'm sure they were more than happy to accommodate CC/DL's request for an extra 30 minutes. I'm guessing that when all the commercials are removed, the show won't be more than 100 minutes, which would mean they only really added about 16-18 extra minutes of content.
     
  16. May 6, 2010 #196 of 303
    JYoung

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    If he didn't send Richard over, his Locke form would go up in a puff of smoke and that would be the paradox as what happened had happened.
     
  17. May 6, 2010 #197 of 303
    JYoung

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    On the other hand, Smokey still needed Ben alive to kill Locke and Jacob.
     
  18. May 6, 2010 #198 of 303
    Roommate

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    That makes sense for Sun's perspective, but it doesn't really surprise me that Jin would still speak English. Sure, Korean is his native tongue, but he probably hasn't spoken a word of it in at least three years, during his time in 70s Dharmaville and since. He's used to English being his default language now.
     
  19. May 6, 2010 #199 of 303
    jkeegan

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    As had been speculated in another thread, I think that what Ben did ALLOWED the smoke monster in, rather than summoning it persay.

    Remember there was a tub of water.. He reached his hand deep into it, and grabbed a plug of some sort.. He pulled it up, the water drained out, and that was enough.

    I'll bet that before he released the water, it filled some network of tunnels.. Once he let it drain, that let smokey flow through that tunnel. That makes even more sense when you see Flock's reaction to being offered a drink by James, which he didn't seem to want to do.. It also jives with James' perception from his conversation with Flock that Flock couldn't just turn to smoke and fly over the water to get to Hydra island (because THAT would be ridiculous!).
     
  20. May 6, 2010 #200 of 303
    Bananfish

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