Lost: Season Finale, May 13 1977

So did anyone else's TiVo not record the whole episode?
Is there anyway to tell what would cause it to stop recording 42 minutes into the show?
I checked the estimated space avail by looking at the deleted folder and there was approx 7-9 hrs worth of HiDef that it could have deleted to make room...

 

Any chance that Ben is somehow related to Jacob...The loophole being it has to be a relative? I just think there has to be more to it then having just someone else do it.

 

In my head, I knew it would be a long time, probably next spring, but saying 2010 just makes it seem even further away.

 

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I was just thinking that. But I'm thinking maybe some of the encounters were Jacob, and some were the other guy "posing" as Jacob. But this begs the question, why would the black shirt guy pose as Jacob? Doesn't make much sense at this point.

What's in the damn guitar case? A guitar?

 

That makes no sense. Why would the other guy travel around looking like Jacob? And why would he talk to YOUNG Kate to get her to come BACK to the island?

At first I thought I understood the purpose of the visits.
Kate, he basically led her into a life of crime by making sure there was no consequence for her shoplifting, ultimately leading to her coming to the island.
Sawyer, he gave him the pen so he could write the letter that started his quest for revenge, again eventually leading him to the island.

But Jack, Locke, Sayid and Hurley were much less obvious. Didn't quite understand the point of those visits...

Great episode. Will be a long wait.

 

Am I the only one who feels cheated by the flash to white? I mean they spend all season speculating as to if you can actually change the future. They set evreything up and then don't show the result. It's like pulling the football away from Charlie Brown.

 

I'd find it very disturbing, if - in an upcoming flashback, we learn that Jacob used the alias of "Paul Bennett".

(It took me a while to recognize Mark Pellegrino, Dexter fans...)


Sorry if I overlooked this already, but what was the picture of in the cabin before it was burned?

 

According to Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry:
cliff–hang·er
Pronunciation:
\-ˌhaŋ-ər\
Function:
noun
Date:
circa 1937

1: an adventure serial or melodrama ; especially : one presented in installments each ending in suspense

2: a contest whose outcome is in doubt up to the very end ; broadly : a suspenseful situation

 

Holy Crap!

There's obviously some kind of contest going on between Jacob and Fake Locke and yes, it hearkens back to the exchange between Ben and Widmore.

The question is, how did Fake Locke know that Ben had killed Locke?
In fact, Fake Locke seems to know all about Locke's life including things Locke hasn't told anyone else (the incident in the cabin).

Are we talking God vs. Satan?
(Will Ray Wise appear?)

And remember how Jacob said "I'm sorry" to Locke after his father threw him out the window?
Was he apologizing in advance for Fake Locke using him as a pawn?

And please tell me that this isn't the last we've seen of Juliet.

 

Wait, wait, wait!

How many of the other "apparitions" is Fake Locke responsible for?
Christian Shepard?
Claire?

 

A couple of things crossed my mind watching the episode.

1.) What is the significance of Jacob needing to physically touch each of the people he visited? At first it seemed pretty minor (touching young Kate on the nose) but there were a few moments like the meeting with Locke, Sayid and Jack where they almost deliberately paused to emphasize Jacob having to make physical contact with who he was visiting.

2.) I could be completely wrong, but isn't the fish that Jacob caught at the beginning of the episode literally a red herring?

 

It was the statue.

 

I got the impression that Locke was dead on the ground until he was touched, and then came back to life. Perhaps the beginning of the loophole?

 

Excellent casting of Mark Pellegrino as Jacob. I have only seen him a few times before (such as in the new "Knight Rider" -- have never seen "Dexter" though), but I thought he did an excellent job as Jacob.

Interesting though -- "what about you?" (to Ben). Apparently Jacob didn't seem to mind that he was about to get stabbed by Ben (come on, he had to know?). Then he warned Faux John that "they're coming." Can't wait to find out what that was all about!

Stupendous season finale. LOVED the black on white "Lost" logo at the end of it.

2010?!?!? Are you kidding me? Shoot me now!!!!

 

He stopped Sayid from dying or saving Nadia, either which outcome would have stopped him from going back to the island.

He convinced Hurley he was not crazy, fear of which was keeping him from going back to the island.

He brought Locke back to life, which made it possible for him to go to the island in the first place.

Maybe he didn't need to do anything with Jack, who was gonna go to the island no matter what! He did touch him, though...

 

Wow, that's a different way of looking at it that I hadn't thought about. I assumed that Jacob's intervention with Kate was just to keep things from getting worse (e.g. an abusive father beating her for the shoplifting). And with Sawyer, if he hadn't written as much of the letter as he wrote, the uncle (or whoever it was) wouldn't have been able to read it & tell him that "what's done is done" and move on.

As for those who think that the visits were Jacob's nemesis, I'd say "oh come on"!!! That's needlessly complicating the story. The nemesis, while seeing the Black Rock arriving, wondered if Jacob brought them there. This established in my mind the belief that the contact with Jacob at some critical point in their life compelled people to reach the island. That's why they showed us the scene on the beach & then the visits!

The line I thought was most telling in the scene on the beach was Jacob's statement that "it can only end once". The nemesis protested that the visitors always bring fighting & discord, but Jacob *wants* it to end. I think that's the critical part of the story that is being set up for the last season... what "it" is, how "it" has effected everyone, and how "it" is ended. I'd bet the Incident (or Incident v2 if the bomb going off does change the path) is part of it, but not all of it.

 

I don't feel cheated at all. But, perhaps if both Season 5 and Season 6 were longer than runs of 16 episodes they may have done more at the end here. But what we got feels appropriate to me.

If Jacob, or whomever, can actually create apparitions, who's to say that they can't be made in the real world.....Perhaps Claire, and her whole family were just apparations intended to move the O6 to the Island.....NOt likely but in the Lost world.......

Regarding #2, perhaps you are right. But I don't think CC&DL would be that literal with it........I could see them doing it to get us to think it is a red herring and to question if that was Jacob or not, only to have it really be him.






Last night when I finally crawled into bed, I also thought again about choice. And destiny. Perhaps in some ways, the past is the past, what's done is done, is true. But if you make a life choice, you can change your destiny. Jack going from being a man of science to a man of faith.....he chose that. It didn't just happen. Sawyer seeming like he went from being a remorseful con-man to a loving, nice guy in his 3 years with Juliette.....choice.

Maybe it is not that they need to "change the past" by blowing up a bomb. Maybe they all need to make a choice to change their lives in a significant way. Maybe only then can things be made "right".

Some Losties probably still need to make the choice. I think when we see what happens after the finale, we'll find that they are back on 815 and it does crash again. I think when all of the people have made their choices, they will be back on 815, it will land, but their lives will have changed. Kate will be on the plane, but she won't be a fugitive. Jack will be on, but going to see his living Dad. Hurley will be on since he is vacationing with his lottery money, etc........

Jacob, or whomever, probably live forever and it is his/their purpose to periodically bring people to the Island to make their choices and see if they can change their lives. I think the current group's "getting back to normal" hinges on Ben and Widmore.......

 

Great episode. One line that keeps coming back to me is Ben complaining about Jacob talking to 'John'. "what is he, Moses?" or something to that effect. Odd because I commented to my wife that the journey to the statue reminded me of Moses leading his people out of Egypt. It's the way they were walking and the music
in the background.

I get the feeling that was more than a throwaay line. What it means I'm not sure, but I think it's important.

 

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