Lost - OAR 4-24-08

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by nrrhgreg, Apr 24, 2008.

  1. mqpickles

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    He could have had one of his people do it (Richard?). I'm not saying that happened, but not impossible.
     
  2. goMO

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    so why did Ben shoot Locke after Locke heard Jacob? He apparently needs Locke now; wouldn't he have known that? Did he shoot Locke knowing that Walt would come and *inspire* Locke??
     
  3. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    What I don't get about the Morse code scene is why did Daniel actually send the message that he claimed he was sending? (About the doctor?)

    Why didn't he take the opportunity to send another message to the ship?
     
  4. Hunter Green

    Hunter Green Curmudgeon

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    I recall something being posted around end of season 2 where the producers had said that they were intentionally downplaying the numbers and removing the overt references to that aspect of the story from the show, and that it would only be answered in the non-show materials like the Lost Experience. Don't recall why, and I can't easily find any reference to it. So dropping the numbers in, even as just a little "wink" to us (as opposed to, as a story element) might be a temptation they're trying to avoid.
     
  5. smickola

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    So does anyone think there's any significance to Claire thinking that Sawyer was Charlie when he pulled her out of the rubble?
     
  6. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    No, she just got knocked around a bit.
     
  7. Mike Farrington

    Mike Farrington Lost Member

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    Maybe he was genuinely interested about the doctor. After the temporally confusing response, he decided to make stuff up.
     
  8. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    I had the impression that the dead guy wasn't the doctor at all.
     
  9. jkeegan

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    Well just as a data point, I recognized the actor on the beach and said "It's the doctor!" before they said who it was. The only question is which doctor the person tapping morse code on the boat meant.
     
  10. TAsunder

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    The numbers have had less prominence in the show because the nature of the numbers and the story behind them has already been revealed in the Lost Experience. The producers have claimed that information wouldn't make it on the show because it's unimportant.
     
  11. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    Something no one has mentioned is that Ben, yet again, knew exactly who Martin Christopher Keeme (sp?) was. (Who is playing that guy, by the way? He reminds me of a child star I can't place. IMDB had no Martin or Christopher actor). Keeme seemed surprised by this. It does seem to me that Ben is moving through time somehow. That's how he can find out information about everyone.

    I also wondered why Keeme wasn't killed as soon as he killed Alex. To me it speaks to the "fact" that Ben didn't believe that she would be killed. He never even threatened Keeme with death.
     
  12. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    OR, Michael simply gave him a list of all the people on the boat.
     
  13. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    How much would Keeme tell a janitor on a boat? Would he even give him his real, full name?
     
  14. vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Ben is pretty resourceful, he can probably figure it out even with an alias, or Michael found some documents with more info.

    Or the writers just want us to be like "wow, how did he know all that!".

    My bet is on #3 hehe.
     
  15. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    How about this? Ben came through in a parka and seemed quite cold when he hit the ground. The fact that he had the parka on kept it on as long as he did indicates, at least to me, that he didn't come through the desert wearing that. Penny had people in the Antarctic looking for "anomalies". Perhaps Ben has already made good on his threat and came from there.
     
  16. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    Wikipedia has the mercenary spelled Keamy as Kevin Durand. I read his bio and he was in Stargate SG-1. That's where I believe he seemed familiar from.
     
  17. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    In the grand scheme of things, I think this is what is going on:

    The island is a weird anomaly. Space and time don't behave normally on or around it. People have landed on it accidently throughout time, drawn in by the strange things it did to their compass. Hanso managed to find the island and he wanted to study it and how it impacted people and things. His goal was just to study and understand the island. Hanso hired Widmore at some point and Widmore was high enough in the organization (probably 2nd to Hanso) to learn and understand the secrets of the island. He felt that the "potential" of the island wasn't being put to good use and at some point took over. The people probably thought they were still working for Hanso when, in fact, they were working for Widmore. He started using the island and its "properties" for nefarious purposes. I think he used the time bending properties to make himself rich and powerful.

    Ben was brought to the island to work and realized how they and the island were being used. He didn't like that the "powers" of the island were being used for "evil" so he took over the island and killed "Widmore's" people. This is why Ben considers himself "good" even though he will go to any lengths, including killing people, to protect the island and its secrets.

    Ben knew a lot about the island but I don't think he knew about entering the numbers at the Swan station. Otherwise, he would have taken it over and had one of his people entering the numbers. He didn't have many people so he had to abandon almost all of the stations. So there was one last Dharma person still there entering the numbers when Desmond wound up there.

    Since that time, Widmore and Ben have been at war. Widmore has been trying to locate the island again. (As long as you have someone on the island to keep in contact with you, you can find it. When Widmore lost all of his people on the island to Ben, he lost the ability to even find the island). Ben has been working very hard to keep the island hidden from Widmore but his lack of understanding of the Swan facility allowed the "event".

    The "event" that was triggered by not putting in the numbers allowed Widmore to have a good idea where the island was and to send a ship to find out what was going on, with the ultimate intent to kill Ben's people and try and retake the island.

    The island can connect directly to 2 other places: the Arctic and the Sahara Desert. That's why Penny's people were in the Arctic looking for an event. The spots in the Arctic and the Sahara move as well so they can't be located directly or easily either but their connection to the island would reflect an "event" on the island and allow the island to be found again. The connection from the island is probably in the "Temple". Using the "connections" between the island and these places can be done but the time shifting that the island does makes it hard to determine "when" you will arrive. As an example, the polar bears arrived thousands of years off from "when" they were sent. Perhaps that's why the connection is rarely used (Ben doesn't seem to use it to get on and off the island except in emergencies, like this episode.)

    I'm doing this mostly from memory of the past 4 seasons. I could have forgotten some stuff, but that's my current theory.
     
  18. justapixel

    justapixel Domestic Extremist Staff Member

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    Yes.

    I'm surprised this comment wasn't the first post.

    I'm thinking he can't kill Widemore because they are tied together in the time travel thing somehow, like Penny and Desmond.

    Is this a smeek? ;)
     
  19. Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

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    He may have, in fact, time traveled while in the basement. But I don't think it was to do the events we saw he do in Iraq.
     
  20. MitchO

    MitchO Blasphemer: Uses DVR

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    Wasn't Locke playing Risk in the break room in his first flashback?

    And someone touched on it in the thread, but Sawyer is the touchstone for someone finally figuring out Claire and Jack's relation. He knows that the man he spoke to in Australia was Jack's father, and if he sees/hears Claire react to Jacob possibly looking like her father, he'll freak.

    While I'm proud (is that the right word) of Sawyer's development in showing his care for Claire and Hurley ... way to prioritize one person over another during the gunfight. Run and grab Claire and get her safe, but three other people get shot first? Enh, so what, I care about Claire.
     

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