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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by nrrhgreg, Apr 24, 2008.
Or as in the main character from "On the Road".
Yeah, some of those are intentional, but come on. I really don't think that the briefcase counting down from 15, or meeting for dinner at 8 have any meaning to them.
Now list ALL the numbers that appear on the show, and see how many of them reference the sequence.
Yeah, I'm sure they just pulled those out of the air and didn't consider their significance, and no one thought about it. Just a coincidence. Oy.
How about you list all the numbers on the show that aren't in that sequence - or just the significant ones.
The writer's writing a script and it calls for a number... why wouldn't he just plop in one of "the" numbers? Takes no effort and makes fans drool.
Exactly - and if they wanted the numbers to disappear (as the posts I was responding to were implying), they could have just as easily chosen "7" as a dinner time for Sayid and Elsa, or "20" as the starting point for the bomb timer...
Relax, we all enjoyed your point.
There was definitely something up with the land surrounding Ben after arriving in the Sahara - the guys on horseback noticed it.
Ben's a character I definitely have grown to love, he's probably my favorite on the show now.
OK, but they haven't made them as obvious or talked about them at all. I guess since they don't have to type them into the computer anymore, no need to talk about them.
Well, I don't waste my time that way. But if YOU'RE going to do it, and publicly, I can call out the fallacy in your assumptions.
Maybe you're right, and if you actually DO it right I may believe you. Until then you're just seeing the Virgin Mary in rice pudding.
Please. What is false about my assumptions? As I said, it would be just as easy to place any random number in where one is needed if they want the numbers to disappear.
I don't give a damn whether you believe me or not; my original post was to refute an assertion that the numbers have disappeared, which they clearly have not. And it took me about 15 minutes to compose that post using Lostpedia.com
And you are a fool if you think those numbers aren't placed deliberately.
It could be that when Ben was out there about to kill Nadia, he saw a Widmore guy following him, photographed him, and adapted his plan.
Eh, I agree, it's a bit of a stretch, but it does feel like something Ben would do.
Ok, before I start digging through those (don't have time now, will try later), you're missing my point.. I'm not saying it was immediately after the swan station was destroyed (as vertigo235 said), but just that it seems that sometime after a given point, the numbers stop. I'm not saying "this season" there are no numbers - instead, I'm saying 'after some point in the Lost timeline, there are no numbers'.
It could even be after some of the flashforwards and before others..
I'm just saying.. At least the end-of-season-3-flash-forward one (waaaay at the end) had none (that I remember), and all of the ones before season 3 ended all had numbers in the flashbacks.. Lots of the flashforward episodes have had no numbers in them at all.
(Maybe after Hurley's episode.. I didn't remember channel 8)
So Ben, at some point in the next few days, time and space travels from his basement to Tunisia in 2005. He then sees Sayid at his wife's funeral on TV and heads for Iraq. Using his computor hacking skills he gets the picture of Widmore's man(who he recognizes from prior knowledge) close to the murder scene. He finds him in Iraq and then pretends to run from Sayid when he wants him to find him. And he has himself a hitman. He couldn't have actually gone to LA unless he went there before Tunisia. Is there some kind of worm hole from the island to this spot in the desert, since Ben and the polar bear both ended up there?
Is Ben able to go to the future at any random time and, using the internet, find out what anybody and everybody is doing then? So could he know in advance about the Oceanic 6 just as we do, and know who can be killed and who won't be?
Again, I'm not talking about time on the island.. I imagine (based on numbers cited from the Hurley and Kate flashforwards, at least) that the numbers stopped sometime after they got off of the island.
I'll admit I have to go research it again now but I've noticed that in at least a few episodes.. It felt pretty obvious at the time.
You're right I don't get your point. At least some of the numbers have appeared in nearly every episode in nearly every flash-forward - Like the woman Jack saves at the end of season three, which appears to be the furthest forward flash-forward, is 42 years old and her child is 8. That's the last one I'll bother to cite, clearly some people want to believe they're gone. They're not.
I don't know that they're anything beyond easter-eggs for the fans, as the producers have hinted that they may not explain them further; but they are there and they are deliberate.
If the numbers aren't really showing up anymore in the future, has anyone analyzed the numbers that are showing up to look for patterns or recurrence? What if the "equation" has been changed? Perhaps there's a new set of numbers that we'll realize towards the end of the show and will appreciate on future re-viewings.
Alan Dale is from New Zealand, and spent most of his early career on Australian television.
The fence was built to keep out the smoke monster. Keeping out people, or keeping them in for that matter, is a bonus.
I now think it is a given that the island is out of sync with the real world, and the amount of that difference is variable. It only seems random because we don't have the big picture, but it may be an oscillation of some kind, or even under some form of control. I spent some time discussing that difference, assuming it was a constant, and this episode confirms that the discussion was based on just a single data point, out of very few presented, and was not enough to draw the correct conclusion.
The thing I'm wondering about this episode, is that it seemed like too much of a coincidence that Locke & company, which included Claire, are on their way to the cabin, where Claire might see a familiar person, and then Sawyer & Claire go the other way.
It's too early for Claire to see what's in the cabin. I think that will be very big in season 6.
Just rewatched and noticed the following. Didn't catch it on initial viewing... When they first show Ben in the desert, it's a traditional Lost closeup of him opening his eyes. But he's also shaking, as if cold. And there's a mist about him. The camera then pulls back to the overhead view of him laying in the sand. And we see the mist quickly disipate. So, don't where he came from, or how he got there, but seems like wherever he was the moment before, it was a very cold place (hence, the parka).
That was a bit odd. The initial overhead shot of Ben was of him lying in a hard, dried up riverbead. You can see the cracks in the mud all about him. But when the camera view changes to ground level and we watch him get up on his feet, the riverbead is gone and instead he seems to be on bright, course sand (you can see him leaving footprints in it). Could it be coral sand? When the the horse back guys show up, they don't seem to be afraid of approaching, but one of them definitely looks down at the sand as they're bickering with each other. Ben notices this and he also looks down at the sand then goes into a, "Wait, I can explain" spiel where he tries to say something in their language but they don't want to listen. Since we don't know the language, we don't know what it was about, but the sand definitely seemed to be the topic of conversation.
I'm assuming that when Ben appeared there, the surrounding sand came with him from whereever he was.
i was thinking more like heat almost melting sand like glass, but yeah, watching it again there was some talk about it
also a good thing miles didn't go to the cabin, since he has this strong connection with dead people/spiritual energy his head probably would have exploded
How could Ben have killed Nadia when he was a little occupied traipsing through the desert completely unaware of when and where he was?