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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by nrrhgreg, Apr 24, 2008.
"Oh, he's dea.... Red shirt! OOh, him too.... DEAD!"
How cool was Ben's reaction, btw.. eyes widened, "WHERE DID YOU HEAR THAT??".. Loved when he handed the shotgun to Sawyer.
when ben "showed up" in tunisia, it looked like the sand under him was different in about a 10' radius, and the guys on horseback stopped and almost looked like they were staring at the sand around him for a brief moment before approaching.. maybe he was in some sort of terminator bubble?
Don't be sorry, the writers throw in lots of religious references. Remember the Adam & Eve bodies? Jack Shephard is a shepherd. Many Biblical heroes were shepherds. In the monastery flashback episode they compared Desmond sacrificing Charlie to Abraham sacrificing Isaac. In the Book of Genesis, Jacob (mystery dude in cabin's name) was married to Rachel (Juliet's sister's name), who was unable to conceive for many years (like Juliet's sister), and died giving birth to... Benjamin! There are also names used like Ruth and Naomi (Book of Ruth), and Aaron, biblical brother of Moses.
Then who was the guy he and Sayid were following? Let's say that Ben hired him to kill Sayid's wife, then paid him to say, "Yes, I work for Widemore." All for Sayid's benefit? I can't see the guy going for it, knowing he'd at very least be injured, perhaps killed (which he was). It's just a bit of a stretch.
I don't remember this, but I will say that Abraham didn't sacrifice Isaac, God spared him. Are you saying that Charlie was spared?
Sawyer is being protected by the Island's mojo similar to how Michael can't kill himself.
Ben also seemed surprised when he saw Sayid on TV (which surprised me--shouldn't he already know about the Oceanic 6?)...
I am, at least in the episode I'm referring to. It's the one where Desmond had a vision of an arrow or something killing Charlie in the jungle, and he was knowingly leading Charlie to his death, planning to sacrifice him to get to Penny. Of course, Charlie sacrificed himself in a later episode.
Oh right, I remember the reference now. Thanks. Yes he was spared, if only for a short time.
I'm confused about the difference in time from the ship to the island. (I can't imagine why, it's all so clear) The projectile they sent arrivedlater than expected, so the island is slower or behind the rest of the world? But if they meant the doctor from the ship, he would have still been alive there and already washed up on the island, so the island would be ahead of the ship. If they meant Jack, that would be consistent with the first experiment, wouldn't it? But how much time has to pass until Jack is well and the battle is over, and he's on the ship? So is the amount of time random? The object was just 30 minutes late or something, wasn't it?
Maybe if someone dies before an appearance he has already made while time traveling, he's kind of half there from then on--like Jack's Dad or Charlie appearing to Hurley. Maybe Ben didn't know this, and assumed that Alex couldn't die because she has traveled to the future with him. Now he knows different. But it's a stretch to think that there is anything about this that Ben doesn't know.
The guy was pretty clearly Widmore's, given Ben was getting him to deliver a message to Widmore. That doesn't mean *he* is the one who killed Nadia, as Ben claims.
From other flash forwards we've seen mysterious others that interact and are clearly watching/following the Oceanic 6, including the guy from the Wire and the woman who shot Sayid.
Ben could have certainly used his knowledge that Sayid/Nadia were being followed to get the traffic cam shot and frame the guy for Nadia's death.
The key is his tell-tale smirk, which we saw right after Sayid popped the guy and "pleaded" with Ben to join his cause. Ben clearly smirked as he turned and walked away from Sayid
He had the smirk because he knew he'd manipulated Sayid into doing his bidding, and made Sayid think it was his own idea. A con, if you like. It wasn't because he (Ben) had killed the Sayid's wife, necessarily.
i agree.. i don't think he killed sayid's wife.. i think he needs people to volunteer to work for him rather than force them, might be one of those rules of the war.. at any point he could have put a gun to someone's head and say "do what i want", but instead he likes to leave a crumb trail right to his door where people think they are making their own decisions
Generally, yeah, I hate that too. But, maybe in this case the Mercs were missing on purpose. Didn't Ben not want Sawyer to come to the house? Maybe the lead was spraying to get Sawyer to run to where Ben was, thus spotting the house for them.
I'd bet on them having orders not to kill Sawyer, for some reason. They sure had no problem wasting the extras
What always amazes me is how the second person runs out in the open to get blasted. The first guy (picking up firewood or something?) ok, caught him by surprise. But if I hear gunfire, I'm getting my butt down and peaking around from cover, not running out like a feathered target at a turkey shoot. Duh.
I was thinking about that when he pulled the shotgun from out of the piano chair. He was sitting on a gun and could have at any time just walked in and killed his "captors" if he felt like it, but he chose not to.
It's funny how Ben wins by always playing the underdog, always displaying himself as a weakling, both mentally and phsyically, when in reality he is anything but.
isn't that supposedly what the devil does? no really, I'm asking... total agnostic here.
Indeed. He kicks those two arabs' butts in the desert, then when Sayid has a gun on him, he stumbles around and walks like a weakling...leans on a big stone wall for support, etc. Interesting.
Ben was supposed to be a throwaway character, right? And the writers decided to keep him because of the awesome job the actor did? Am I remembering that correctly? I can't imagine Lost without Ben, even if there was another leader that they planned to introduce. The guy is great.
- Some instances of the numbers this season:
Hurley's car chase was on channel 8
Hurley plays Connect Four in the institution
The helicopters markings read N842M
There's posters with 15 prominent in the room Miles confronts the ghost in his flashback
The numbers 16 and 23 appear on the rocket's digital clock that Daniel Faraday is holding during his experiment
In the cafe where Sayid and Elsa met for the first time there´s a picture on the wall showing a beer commercial "1516 Rein".
Elsa tells Sayid to meet her at the restaurant at 8:00
Kate's arraignment is docket #42231815.
Desmond's consciousness moves back and forth between 1996 and 2004 — 8 years apart
Desmond's drill sergeant tells the recruits they have 4 minutes to "get in the yard" instead of the usual 8.
Penny lives at 423 Cheyne Walk.
The frequency that Faraday gives Desmond is 2.342.
The auction lot number of the Black Rock diary is 2342.
Ben gives Locke the safe combination: 36-15-28. 36-28=8
Michaels briefcase bomb timer counts down from 15 seconds
ETA: Oh yeah, and Ben tells the doorman at Widmore's building that he's there to see Mr. and Mrs. Kendrick in apartment 4E...
Well there were Some numbers last night. When they were playing Risk, Hurley rolled 2 sixs and a 3 for a (15)
Did you notice that when Ben was in Tunisa he checked in the hotel under the name Moriarty as in Sherlock Holmes.