Lost - OAR 4-24-08

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  1. Apr 25, 2008 #61 of 229
    Turtleboy

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    Except when they were not.

    Last night's Flashforward took place, according to the desk clerk at the hotel, in October of 2005.

    Sun was pregnant on the Island. Let's say she was one month at December 24, 2004? As such, the latest hers could have taken place was August 2005. But I think she gave birth even earleir.
     
  2. Apr 25, 2008 #62 of 229
    Mike Farrington

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    The guy who originally heard the numbers lived there (or, as we saw, his widow still lived there).
     
  3. Apr 25, 2008 #63 of 229
    NoThru22

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    Oceanic flight 815 took off from Australia, which means that all of the survivors came from there. Most of the early flashbacks were explaining why those people were in Australia. If you make a list of what we saw there, just make a list of everyone on the plane (in other words, it's pointless.)

    What a great episode.
     
  4. Apr 25, 2008 #64 of 229
    jehma

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    True, but some of the events were more "mystical" than others. Or maybe they all were and we just don;t know it yet. :)
     
  5. Apr 25, 2008 #65 of 229
    Jeeters

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    Right. Which is why I don't understand how saying she's NOT his daughter was supposed to save her.
     
  6. Apr 25, 2008 #66 of 229
    jlb

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    Off topic.....

    The guy that plays Charles Widmore, is he british and normally has an accent? when he was on The OC, he did not have one. I was curious if he is fantastic at hiding his accent like Hugh Laurie........



    Back on topic......


    Each episode continues to push me more towards trying not "figure it all out" and just enjoy the ride. It is so hard (at least for me) to try and keep everything straight.
     
  7. Apr 25, 2008 #67 of 229
    Sacrilegium

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    I thought it was more for "show." Ben was telling them he wouldn't leave, and giving the gunman an out at the same time. Ben tells the gunman it's not his daughter, so the gunman lets her go and saves face in front of his men who aren't in on The Rules. The Losties in the house with Ben think, "Hey, Ben fooled those guys" and the illusion of The Game is maintained. The gunman, playing by the rules, doesn't execute Alex and the illusion of The Game is maintained.

    However, when he killed Alex anyway, The Rules changed.
     
  8. Apr 25, 2008 #68 of 229
    Paperboy2003

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    Regarding the previews:

    What the heck was Kimey doing in the previews for next week. How would he survive the smoke monster when the others didn't. Also, is it me or does he look like he's related to Christoper Walken?
     
  9. Apr 25, 2008 #69 of 229
    unicorngoddess

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    My husband had a theory that when the morse code said, "The doctor is fine" that it was referring to Jack. We know that Jack gets off the island and with the time paradox thing going on, it could be that Jack's already on the boat...
     
  10. Apr 25, 2008 #70 of 229
    rimler

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    I didn't take it as any agreement between Widmore and Ben. After all, if Ben and Widmore's men know that the merc guy can't kill Alex, why all the hostage drama? Just to impress the Losties?

    I take the "changing of the rules" comment to mean that the Island (or Jacob) has changed the rules by allowing the death.
     
  11. Apr 25, 2008 #71 of 229
    vertigo235

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    Well someone brought up the good point.

    Sounds like Ben killed her when he said she wasn't his daughter. Sounds like that means she's fair game then!
     
  12. Apr 25, 2008 #72 of 229
    Jeeters

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    I'll maybe buy that. Perhaps until that moment, Ben considered he and Alex safe from death as the island protected them. When the merc killed Alex, he realized the rules had changed for some reason, perhaps also realizing that he, himself, could maybe now die.
    I have to say 'maybe', though, as Ben did seem very fearful when the merc had the gun on Alex. If he thought the island would protect Alex, then he probably wouldn't have been so concerned. Sort of like when Mister Friendly didn't mind at all when Michael pulled a gun on him in the city since he knew the Michael / gun wouldn't fire.
     
  13. Apr 25, 2008 #73 of 229
    3D

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    I agree with rimler. I think when Ben said "he changed the rules" he didn't literally mean that Widmore made a decision to not play fair according to some gentleman's agreement bewteen them, but merely that Widmore's merc was able to accomplish something that shouldn't have been possible by Ben's understanding of the way the island/world works. I also think that for the most part, those "rules" are still in play, which is why Widmore knew that Ben couldn't kill him. IMO, based on Ben's new understanding of these rules, he can kill Penny, which he might have thought was impossible before, but he still can't kill Widmore.

    If there were some pre-determined rules between Ben and Widmore that precluded killing Alex, instructions certainly would have been passed on to Widmor's men that she wasn't to be hurt. It wouldn't make any sense to try and get to Ben by threatening something that both sides new wasn't permitted. If, on the other hand, the rules are simply Ben's understanding of what can or cannot happen based on his percepton of the way the world/island works, it would make sense that Widmore's men never received any such instructions because it wouldn't be necessary. If something is not permitted to happen, it won't happen whether an instruction is given or not.

    I've linked to this theory before, http://www.timelooptheory.com/

    but the more I think about it, the more it seems as if this guy's onto something. There are flaws in it to be sure, but I think he's got a general grasp of what's going on here. The most recent episodes make alot more sense when keeping it in mind.
     
  14. Apr 25, 2008 #74 of 229
    ElJay

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    I agree. I suspect we'll see eventually see whoever is pounding out that Morse code and at that time it will be clear that Jack is "the doctor." The writers will expect us to be awed by their 'genius' obtuse writing.
     
  15. Apr 25, 2008 #75 of 229
    Shakhari

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    So now we've gone from WAAAAALT! to CLAAAAAIRE!

    The question for me is how many of the 815 survivors are now dead as a result of the attack. It seemed like a good number of them followed Locke to the compound, but now there seems to be only a handful who got away ... that's a pretty significant loss of population there.
     
  16. Apr 25, 2008 #76 of 229
    rimler

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    I also wonder if the "changing of the rules" comment doesn't have something to do with the future. I wonder if Ben knew that Alex was alive in the future, perhaps off the island....something we may see in an upcoming flash forward? Now, suddenly, Alex is dead and that's not possible anymore...the rules have changed. He would have had to save her in the past (with the merc) but he would be completely confident that he did it. Thus, the BS story about her not being his daughter.

    I'll admit this is a stretch, and I may be totally off base here because I don't follow the time shifting stuff that much, it makes my head hurt.
     
  17. Apr 25, 2008 #77 of 229
    Mike Farrington

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    Others may have been able to fee off-camera. What did we see for certain, three lostie deaths? The moment I saw Ensign Ricky with the firewood, I knew it was a matter of seconds before he died.
     
  18. Apr 25, 2008 #78 of 229
    jlb

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    I thought this was the case and I just confirmed on Lostpedia.....

    The combo used to deactivate the fence was 16 23. This may be a smeek from season's ago, but I don't remember.
     
  19. Apr 25, 2008 #79 of 229
    TAsunder

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    Black Rock captain is a stretch. Why would he need to bid on the log if that is the case?

    We already know he was one of the main investors behind DHARMA don't we? I think he sent the "scientists" there under false pretenses, intending to exploit the island. Ben's group is somewhat like environmentalists or something, and want the Island to remain unexploited.
     
  20. Apr 25, 2008 #80 of 229
    jlb

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    Another tidbit "I" picked up at lostpedia...again could be a smeek......[bold included by me for emphasis]





    Also, when Sawyer rescues Claire from the rubble, Claire initially mistakes him for Charlie. Is everyone getting unstuck in time? Maybe she had just visited Charlie.

    Also, I did not know the following:

     

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