Lost - OAR 4-24-08

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I am betting he did go to the Arctic first. Having the island connect to the Arctic explains the Polar Bears on the island.

 

The exact opposite of Tunisia is so close to New Zealand, it would be almost impossible to miss the kinds of anomalies that would be involved in hiding the island.

 

FYP

 

I don't understand why anyone puts "OAD" in thread titles. What does it add? If you put the date in the title (as you should), then it's understood that the date refers to the broadcast date.

 

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How would that work?

 

I mean in the original plan for Nikki and Paulo, as opposed to killing them via spider bite/buried alive.

 

I think it was correct the first time.

 

Well, practically everyone who's died has been a "bystander"...and they were certainly "on limits". Widmore and Ben (themselves and by proxy) have been killing people pretty indiscriminately without a breakage of "rules". Not until Ben's daughter gets offed, that Ben goes berserk.

I think it's clear, looking back at Ben's dialog throughout the episode, that what he meant is that Widmore broke the rules by killing his daughter, and he's going to take out Penny now, in retribution and in contradiction to the rules. Widmore's got to find the Island, Ben's got to find Penny. "The race is on".

 

I agree. The rule had to have been a spoken one between Ben and Charles regarding no killing family members. It wouldn't make sense as anything else. Your post says why it has to be family and not "innocent" people, because everyone has know until now that Widmore planned to kill all the Others and the survivors of 815, and Ben never thought there was a rule changed until Alex was killed.

If it was the Island imposing the rule on them, it wouldn't make sense for Ben to say Charles "changed" the rules, as Charles would be incapable of doing that.

Now, the rule that they can't kill each other? Might be imposed by the Island.

I'm starting to think that the producers killed off "Charlie" in order to make "Charles" a more central character. I've posted this before, but they couldn't give this Widmore guy a different first name?

Anyone think Charles is Charlie, and that's why Desmond need to make sure Charlie ended up dead? I think my head just exploded.

 

Interesting but it has a few holes.

If Widmore took over Dharma (Hanso Project), how have they been able to do the air drops of supplies to the island? Several have occurred since Ben's takeover.

Also, if Widmore is Dharma, why even bother with the air drops if he knows that Ben took control of the island. I would have cut them off a long time ago.

I'm thinking that Dharma Classic will be re-introduced in the next season and that will explain some the anomolies, but probably introduce more conflict by adding a third leg of the triangle: Ben, Widmore, Dharma.

 

Further arguments for my they-dropped-the-food-drops-all-at-once-and-time-shifted-them-to-the-future theory. Excellent.

 

This works for me. The properties of the island do seem to extend to the air. The helicopter had troubles coming into the island and leaving. The airplane was torn apart. Since Dharma knew more about the island than anyone, including Widmore and Ben, they could have used those properties to make a one time drop that would last decades. All of the Dharma food is shelf stable. It wouldn't have to be if it was being dropped in real time. At least not all of it.

 

Wow.

Great episode. But my head hurts.

 

That's when you know it is a good episode.

 

The airplane was torn apart because of the pulse (the first time they let the timer expire), not because it flew over the island. I think the properties don't extend that far up.

 

I know I posted my thoughts on this a few pages back, but I have to once again strongly disagree (and I recognize I appear to be in the minority here). It simply makes no sense to think that Ben, distraught over the death of his daughter (adopted or otherwise) tracks down Widmore, whom he thinks caused her to die by intentionally vioalting an agreed upon rule, only to continue to abide by those same agreed upon rules and refrain from killing Widmore. It makes even less sense that Ben would tell Widmore of his plan to kill Penny, when he damn well knows that Widmore has no problem breaking their agreed upon rules and could try and have Ben followed and killed before he succeeds. I think it is clear by both Ben's initial shock at his daughter's death and the final scene between Ben and Widmore that Ben's comment about rules was referring to something more than a gentlemen's agreement between them. I think it more likely that the so called rules Ben refers to are the same ones that prevented Michael from killing himself before it was time.

Edited to add:

I just noticed your comment that maybe the rule that they can't kill each other might be imposed by the island. Under this rationale, the island's will applies to Ben, Widmore, and, seemingly, Michael, but not to anyone else? I suppose this is possible, but it's certainly not fair to propose this while at the same time claim that it makes no sense for Ben's rule comment to refer to anything besides a prearranged agreement about killing family memebers.

 

I like this theory

To add to the bolded text, what if Widmore and Ben are both unstuck in time, and are each other's constant? Adds credence to their "gentleman's agreement" to not kill any family as it could disrupt their own lives, and in turn each others.

 

No, Widmore is nowhere near as annoying as Charlie was.

 

The Island's will applies to the people to whom the Island wants it to apply, I guess. Why Michael is on this list, I'm not sure. Could have something to do with Walt. It also seems to apply to that Russian other whose name is escaping me, and to Locke.

The Island couldn't possibly have been imposing the "don't kill relatives" rule. If it was, how could Charles possibly have "changed" it? If the Island didn't want Alex dead, Alex wouldn't be dead.

What's odd is, Ben said Charles "changed" the rules, rather than simply that he "broke" the rules. Perhaps that's just Ben's way of saying that the rules are now changed now that Charles broke them. Or, perhaps not.

 

I'll agree. But the effects of the island did seem to extend to the height of a helicopter. A plane dropping supplies would be dropping them from a height where the plane is not impacted by the island but the supplies themselves would go through a layer that is impacted by the properties of the island.