Lost - Meet Kevin Johnson 3/20

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  1. gchance

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    Not wrong, more like misleading.

    "Next week... someone will DIE!"
    "THREE BIG MYSTERIES WILL BE REVEALED!" Do you remember THAT one?

    But in general promos for TV shows are misleading anyway. The most recent one that I saw just a few weeks ago was Nip/Tuck. I won't get into specifics for spoiler reasons, but the previous episode had a cliffhanger ending. The preview for the next episode showed something that looked like one resolution to the cliffhanger, when in reality that was something completely unrelated to the cliffhanger. It's just something you need to expect with show previews.

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  2. jeff125va

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    Did someone not die following whichever preview you're referring to?

    "Big" is somewhat subjective, and people realize that. There's nothing subjective about identifying six people, so I don't think that's a fair comparison.
     
  3. jeff125va

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    It's been answered. Well, not specifically how he left, but we know that Michael and Walt didn't need the submarine.
     
  4. Mike Farrington

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    Michael's gun fired a successful shot, so it wasn't a dud out of the pawn shop. Michael aimed at Mr. Friendly, and as Mr. Friendly swats it away, it fires.

    If one wants to discount the supernatural explanation Mr. Friendly gave, then I guess one could argue that Mr. Friendly swapped out the gun with a replica (since Michael was being tailed, they could have found out the type of gun/ammo he bought).
     
  5. lew

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    But we were told both Jack and Kate were two of the six survivors of Oceanic flight 815. The fact that they were survivors was publicly known. The 6 survivors of Oceanic 815 are named the "Oceanic Six". Jack and Kate are 2 of the 6 survivors of 815, therefore they have to be part of the "Oceanic Six". Sorry no other logical conclusion is possible.

    It was certainly fair to speculate if Ben manipulated his identity so he could be be part of the Oceanic Six. We were never given information, either way.

    I thought the discussion on Aaron was pretty stupid. I guess the writers could have set it up so he wasn't part of the "Oceanic Six". One theory (didn't make much sense to me) was Claire and Aaron both died on the island. Kate's Aaron was Sawyer's kid, and was born after Kate left the island. She named him after Claire's Aaron. Again that theory makes no sense to me, Aaron was much too big for the timeline to work.



     
  6. JDHutt25

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    I need to re-watch this scene. I could have sworn Michael's gun got swatted away and Tom pulled out one of his own.
     
  7. MickeS

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    By the way, did anyone else get irritated by the obvious dubbing of Ben's voice when he was telling Alex and Carl to go to the temple? He said "If they knew who you were - " and then he says in a different sounding audio clip (with camera on Alex and her mom) "that you were my daughter, they would use you to get to me". It just sounded so different that it took me out of the scene.
    I guess they were really adamant on getting a lot of exposition in this episode. :)
     
  8. Scubee

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    It almost looks like a little microphone on Alex' ear. screencap
     
  9. jeff125va

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    I agree. My point is that many people, when we first saw Aaron at the end of "Eggtown," thought the same regarding his status.

    Possibly, but that could be considered just as illogical as you and I consider the notion Jack or Kate weren't confirmed as members (by "Eggtown" anyway). Who knows what wacky theories people might have tried to come up about Jack and Kate had it not been stated explicitly outside the episodes?


    That all ties in to my point. A lot of theories that make no sense to you, but none about Jack and Kate even though they weren't even referred to using the "Oceanic Six" moniker. Heck, there were even people saying that Sayid might have been lying when he called himself a member.
     
  10. latrobe7

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    Yes, and Karl died.
    I do remember that; though I don't remember what specific episode, I remember the "mysteries" were lame (if there were even three). But I don't think this is the same, I don't recall a debate about 'How many mysteries are going to be revealed this week' before that promo. And the part of the ad that recapped the O6 wasn't ambiguous at all; it said "All of the Oceanic 6 have been revealed"; while scenes with 6 characters flashed across the screen - there were not 7 or 8 to let the mystery linger (like all the characters they flashed when they said someone would die). I think that promo was deliberate to put the issue to rest. In a recent podcast they did say that if there were any questions about who the O6 were, they'd list them after episode 8. I think that was the list.
     
  11. jeff125va

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    One thing I found interesting: It didn't even seem to occur to Alex that Ben might have set them up. By shouting out that she was Ben's daughter, she seemed to think that it was freighter people firing at them. For a moment I was wondering whether Charlotte would pop out or some of the Others. It's like she regained all trust in Ben. Or she's stupid, which I've never really thought about her.
     
  12. MickeS

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    Yes promos are often misleading or exaggerating, but I can't remember one that was an outright lie. The list of the O6 in the preview for next episode would have to be an outright lie for it to be dismissed, and I just can't imagine that's the case. The whole POINT of that part of the preview seemed to be to finally put that issue to rest.
     
  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    Yes, in fact I wonder if that bit wasn't done at the request of the producers when they realized that a lot of people weren't accepting the obvious answer...
     
  14. Sirius Black

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    My original quote of Tom's was incorrect. This is how it really happened. Still I completely agree that it is a very interesting response.


    Michael didn't know about the submarine getting blown up. Maybe my timelines are backwards - of course, Tom got killed while on the island after the submarine was destroyed.

    Have we ever determined why some of the Others don't appear to age? Back in the episode where we find out a bit about Ben's origins, was Tom among the Others from the jungle? I know there was another person who definitely didn't appear to age in the years between Ben being a kid and growing up.

    I think, unless Roussou (sp?) gets some special help from the island, she is dead or at the very least mortally wounded. Jack isn't around to do any surgery.

    Is it April 24th yet?
     
  15. MitchO

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    IIRC, this was the "What do Jack's tattoos mean?" episode.
     
  16. DevdogAZ

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    I noticed that too. It appeared that Michael/Kevin had been telling the story to Sayid and Desmond when they came back, as opposed to him just remembering.
    He probably has no idea where to tell them to look. And he was clearly trying to be unnoticed as a passenger from 815.
    When was the sub blown up? And how long do we think it took for Michael and Walt to get rescued? I don't think the left the island one day and were back in NY the next. I'd imagine that part took at least a week.

    And Tom still appeared to be at the hotel in NY when he called Michael/Kevin at the port at Fiji, so he was in NY for a few days at least.
    They didn't need to the sub because Ben gave them a boat. But after that, we've not seen any indication that the Others had any means of traveling off the island other than the sub.

    Edit: How were the Others getting back and forth from the other island where they kept Kate and Sawyer in cages? Didn't we see them have another boat similar to the one Michael and Walt took?
     
  17. Amnesia

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    I thought Richard was the one and only person who has been shown not to visibly age.
     
  18. jeff125va

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    The sub was blown up on day 80, which happens to be right at the end of the first Tom on-island gap (but I have a theory about that too). I'm not sure how relevant it is because, as stated, they could have used any boat like Michael did. But, as you point out, they don't seem to think they can get off the island without it. I mean, wouldn't Juliet or Jack have said, "well get us another boat like Michael used" ? So maybe they had no other such boat? Maybe the sub destruction is relevant? I don't remember whether it was shown at the dock in days leading up to that. I think Locke had just gotten over there that day and blew it up that night. The timing would fit with the first gap of Tom not being seen.

    What you said about Tom calling Michael in Fiji from the hotel could be significant in either scenario (first or second gap). How long does it take to get to Fiji?

    Michael left on day 67. For Tom to have returned from NY by day 80, he would have to have left NY by day 79 at the absolute latest. So if the events with himand Michael took place on say days 76-77, and say Michael got home on day 68 or 69 at the earliest, that's about 8 days max between arriving home, crashing, and getting out of the hospital. Plus the time to account for Michael leaving for Fiji in time for Tom to call him by day 79. I don't know whether it works or not.

    But, the first gap is a day longer, at least in terms of Tom's absence, than the second. But in that one we don't have to take Michael's travel (from the island to home) and recovery time into account.

    I forget. I remember Karl and Kate and Sawyer using those non-motorized boats that I don't know the name of.

    Oh, and my other theory was that Tom's first absence was picking up Anthony Cooper in Tallahassee. We really have no indication that I can recall that he was there, but it fits with the timeline.
     
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    maybe it was obvious to everyone, but I felt that Ben sent Carl and Russeau with Alex specifically so they would be killed. It seemed like a setup to me. Also, they weren't shot with regular guns, it was with some kind of darts or something. Weren't these used previously by the "others" when going after people in the jungle?
     
  20. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I'm going to say that Tom's appearance in NY during this episode was definitely during the second gap (Days 83-88). That allows more time for Michael to get home, get depressed, try to kill himself, recover, etc.
     

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