Lost - Meet Kevin Johnson 3/20

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  1. Mar 21, 2008 #61 of 320
    Mike Farrington

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    Also, wouldn't they kill everyone on the island anyway when Miles reports that Ben is dead (after being paid his $3.2 million?). Seems kind of lose-lose for the losties.
     
  2. Mar 21, 2008 #62 of 320
    jamesbobo

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    Are you sure? That episode is deleted so I can't watch again but I remember it as the captian saying "someone went to a lot of trouble to fake the crash". I don't recall him saying it was Ben.
    Maybe he doesn't know it was Widmore, and if he does know I don't think he would tell Sayid about it.
     
  3. Mar 21, 2008 #63 of 320
    acej80

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    Based on the information at the end of the episode, there is no question who the 6 are. W & M are not part of them.
     
  4. Mar 21, 2008 #64 of 320
    Cindy1230

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    If the obit identified him as Kevin Johnson, his mother and son may never have known he was using that name. After the freighter and 'finishing his work', Michael ended up back in LA, and now able to successfully kill himself. The passport did say he was from NY but since no one claimed the body,........ then why even have a public service at all... doh.
    I hate it when i try to speculate an answer and i end up asking more questions.
     
  5. Mar 21, 2008 #65 of 320
    jeff125va

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    • It happened in L.A.
    • It happened in L.A.
    • It happened in L.A., they were estranged (maybe to the point of not going cross-country to attend, especially if his body were being sent back to NY for burial they'd have something there), or maybe they just didn't know about it because under his assumed name, no one knew how to connect him to his mother to inform her and Walt.
     
  6. Mar 21, 2008 #66 of 320
    Fish Man

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    We've seen plenty of clues that Ben and his people are connected to a very powerful group. The submarine (which it would appear Locke blew up), the access to intricate details about the lives of the passengers on flight 815, Sayid's working for Ben on the mainland after getting off the island, and Ben clearly wielding power out in the "real world". Tom being put up in a penthouse suite. There's lots more.

    Last season, I was guessing that Ben worked for Widmore. Now, it's clear that Ben's organization, whatever it is, is a rival of Widmore for control of the island.

    So, in short, it seems obvious that either Ben's group or Widmore has the resources to stage the fake crash. I find it extremely intriguing that each group is blaming the other for staging the crash. This opens the possibility that it was actually staged by a third party, unbeknown to either of them. (It's also possible that one of them is lying, too.)
     
  7. Mar 21, 2008 #67 of 320
    rufus_x_s

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    Although not shown, I'd think it was plausible that he'd tell his mom to use the name Kevin Johnson so that she knows it. I mean, would you tell someone not to use your real name and then not give them an alias?
     
  8. Mar 21, 2008 #68 of 320
    jeff125va

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    The name in the obit was not Kevin Johnson. It was J~ ~ntham (the missing letters were illegible). That may or may not have been the name he was going by in N.Y., but it would be an incredible coincidence, even for Lost, if he had been using the name Kevin Johnson before Tom showed up.
     
  9. Mar 21, 2008 #69 of 320
    danterner

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    I'm okay with not having the answers to that. They headed out at bearing 325 and "found rescue" that eventually brought them back to NYC. Apparently the details of the rescue itself are not so important. It would be nice to know, though. As for the bearing, I'm sure we'll get an explanation to its significance one of these days. Right now I'm assuming its the location of a hole in the distortion field surrounding the island.

    I had difficulty following the timeline for Michael's flashback, as well. His auto suicide attempt, which landed him in the hospital in a neck-brace etc, took place BEFORE the other NYC-based events in the flashbacks, right? It was confusing because when I saw him in the hospital I assumed he'd have a much longer period of convalescence but he seemed fine in the other successive flashbacks.

    As for the island not letting Michael die "because it needs him", I find that to be very interesting. The island sure is powerful and able to exert its will and control events even off-island. Why, then, does it need Michael? Why use a middle-man, if it can impact events directly (like causing a gun not to fire, etc)?

    I could be misremembering, but I think the dialog was more like:

    MICHAEL: You can leave the island?
    MR. FRIENDLY: Some of us can.

    Which is an interesting response, too.
     
  10. Mar 21, 2008 #70 of 320
    MitchO

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    Who had post #63 in the "someone will reference the previews spoiler info" pool?

    Personally I watch the "Next" info and think it is vital, but there may be some people here fanatical enough to not want to know that yet, Ace.
     
  11. Mar 21, 2008 #71 of 320
    Fish Man

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    Positive. I've not only got the episode saved, but archived to DVD as well. ;)

    I'll have to go back to get the exact dialog but he made it clear that he wanted to capture and/or kill Ben on the grounds that he was a key person in an organization with the means to stage the crash.

    He reveled the fake crash to Sayid and Desmond as an example of what Ben's organization was capable of, and why he was so dangerous. If he didn't actually say the words, "Ben's organization did this", he at least implied it unequivocally.
     
  12. Mar 21, 2008 #72 of 320
    jeff125va

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    The part with Lapidus saying that Widmore was searching for the real wreckage (or non-wreckage) because he believed that the Sunda Trench one was a fake makes a lot of sense. But it could be just a convenient coincidence for Widmore if he did actually stage the wreck. Miles' admission (or non-denial at least) about the orders to kill all of them raises obvious doubts about Widmore's intentions.

    It was mentioned in a podcast or interview earlier this season that by the end of the season we'd have reason to believe that it was one of two evil organizations that staged the wreckage, and not know which to believe. I guess that last night's episode is what they were referring to.
     
  13. Mar 21, 2008 #73 of 320
    Mike Farrington

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    Also of note... I would hardly call the previews cannon, since they are compiled by ABC and not the producers. Hopefully they would have conferred with the producers to verify the O6, but who knows. It is most likely accurate, but not guaranteed.
     
  14. Mar 21, 2008 #74 of 320
    ElJay

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    So does Mama Cass have something to do with the plot or does somebody just like her music? ;) We saw Michael trying to commit suicide while "It's Getting Better" was blasting, and Desmond was listening to "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" when the hatch was blown.

    I liked seeing "The Mole" promos... I can't wait for that to come back.
     
  15. Mar 21, 2008 #75 of 320
    Mike Farrington

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    I thought it was interesting that the Temple was a DHARMA station and not some place of worship/idolatry for those on the island. I didn't actually think it was going to be a station.
     
  16. Mar 21, 2008 #76 of 320
    Cindy1230

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    I agree, it probably wasn't shown. But he was using some other alias before he acquired the Kevin Johnson alias. Or changed his name again when he got back.

    That's true. But haven't the producers said that prop department and not the writers did the obit..So back to square 1 again.
     
  17. Mar 21, 2008 #77 of 320
    Amnesia

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    What are you talking about? Something from the previews? This episode didn't have any flashforwards...
     
  18. Mar 21, 2008 #78 of 320
    jeff125va

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    I'm not going to post it myself, but I question whether to consider it a preview. It doesn't reveal anything from future episodes, it just confirms what we've seen in prior episodes.

    It was never explicitly stated during any episode that Kate or Jack was one of the "Oceanic Six" as it was with Hurley, Sayid and Sun, yet we freely discuss their status. We're relying on the same type of extra-episodal information, are we not?
     
  19. Mar 21, 2008 #79 of 320
    jeff125va

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    "End of the episode" wasn't really what was meant. It was after the episode itself (part of the previews, although not previews per se).
     
  20. Mar 21, 2008 #80 of 320
    jeff125va

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    I'd definitely say remove the tags. I wasn't aware of that. Could be considered a prop error I guess, but still, what is the likelihood that he was going by Kevin Johnson? Then again, he could have switched names yet again, but since it said he's from New York, I'd imagine he reverted to the same name he was using when his mother mentioned not going by his real name. That's all of course assuming it is in fact Michael we're talking about here.
     

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