Lost - Meet Kevin Johnson 3/20

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  1. getreal

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    I can understand why Sayid turned Michael in to Captain Gault and revealed his secret identity and mission.

    Besides tha fact that he killed a couple of them and betrayed the rest when he dealt with the devil (Ben) to get the boat for just himself and Waaaaaalt, Sayid is furious that Michael abandoned his fellow castaways by not doing a thing to help them when he had so many opportunities while in NYC.

    Desmond didn't seem to know who Michael was, as he was running through the woods and launching his yacht after Kate, Locke & Jack sprung the hatch door open, so he never really met Michael before.

    "Don't trust the Captain" might have been scrawled by Regina or Michael.

    Michael is a really unlikeable character with lots of personal issues. His girlfriend hated him, his boy hates him, his momma hates him, his fellow survivors don't like him. Does anybody like Michael?
     
  2. Hunter Green

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    I sure hope someone conned Rousseau into giving up her kidney!

    I really don't like this development. I realize how hazy it can be to say one thing is beyond my suspension of disbelief when we have healing magnetic fields and incredible coincidences and consciousnesses unstuck in time and all this other stuff, but somehow, I can buy all of that but I can't buy this particular thing. (And didn't much like it when Desmond got it either, though it bothered me more this time.) It doesn't matter if it really is "the island" doing it or some other force -- it's not who does it or why, it's that anything can.

    I hope it turns out that there's another explanation.

    Yeah, I hope he played a "Laertes" there and swapped guns or something, but even so, hugely risky. Counting on Michael to not try some other method. Even so, I could buy this better.

    I agree there wasn't any ambiguity. But I take exception to your reasoning. Kate shouldn't be most sane people's type. Personally, I like my women to have scruples, a bare minimum of honesty, a hint of emotional stability and maturity, and several fewer murders in their pasts. Call me picky! (Oh, and there's also the matter of her looks, which aren't quite my cup of tea either.)

    More likely they're dealing with the fact that, at his age, the several years the actor has aged is way too visible to cover up, given that it's only been a few months for the characters.

    I'm hoping we get a good answer, but until that happens, the bad answer is that he doesn't know. But he could still have said "they're out there" and told them what he did know, and I hope we find out why he didn't, and it ties in to why he was using an alias.

    I agree it can blow up just because it was a more elaborate fake than necessary if it was not going to blow up ever. But "I'm here to die" isn't about that. It's because he tried to commit suicide and can't until he completes the work he has to do -- at least, he believes that, whether it's true or not -- so he's here to finish the work so he can die. Guess what, Michael's got himself onto a redemption arc, finally! Now he just needs father issues.

    Ben's just playing him. Trying to guilt him. He knew perfectly well Michael would activate the bomb, and that he would say that for the impact it would have in making Michael do what he needed him to do later.
     
  3. jlb

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    Nope. Noone likes Michael. Certainly makes him fall into the category of "Neither friend nor family".
     
  4. danterner

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    He's got plenty of father issues. It's just that he's the father.
     
  5. jeff125va

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    I'll call you picky because of the looks thing. :)

    Seriously, aside from the fact that I was being slightly facetious, within the context of that scene, none of that would really matter. You're talking about an actual relationship, he was simply talking about looking at her naked. I think she's more than attractive enough to make the point they were making without leaving any doubt. And if it were a matter of finding her too unattractive to look at naked, Tom's usually a nice enough guy that he would have been polite enough not to say so.
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    I've heard (albeit not from the most reputable source) that the kid has now topped six feet, which would eliminate pretty much any chance of a return for the actor if not the character...
     
  7. jeff125va

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    Wow. Yeah, that would be difficult, unless it's in some sort of dream or other apparition. Perhaps we'll learn more about why Walt's "powers" and why he had grown significantly when Locke saw him.
     
  8. mqpickles

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    They need to hire whoever worked on the forced perspective scenes in LOTR.

    I have to wonder why they wouldn't take this into account in casting. Or even in script-writing. If you know anything about 11-year-old boys, you know that they will likely have a tremendous growth spurt sometime in the next 2-5 years (and their voices will change ...). So, make the character 8 years old and buy yourself some time. Or cast a kid who's somewhat younger than the character. Or cast a kid who has a younger brother that looks a lot like him.

    OTOH, maybe the creators were super-clever, and it will all make sense at the end of Season 6.

    As it is, I'm not sure what they did in this episode to show Walt at the window, but it looked about as good as possible. To me Walt just looked a little heavier than when he left the island. Maybe in a future episode we'll learn that he hit the junk food pretty hard when he got home.
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

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    I'm guessing this is one case where they flat-out screwed up, given how important he has been to the overall storyline and how rapidly he was dumped from the show with so much involving him unresolved.
     
  10. Alpinemaps

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    Keep forgetting to post that this was my favorite line of the thread. :up:

    Spoon!
     
  11. CarynFromHermosa

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    Ben made a big deal out of "I don't kill innocent people" when talking with Michael, then he sends Rousseau and Carl out to be shot. Ummmm.....they weren't good people? Oh, I forgot, he wasn't holding the gun, so he didn't "do" anything...
     
  12. getreal

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    :up: Now why didn't I think of that? Good call!
     
  13. stellie93

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    So why did Jack go?
     
  14. mqpickles

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    Here's what bothered me in this ep. Widmore's not generally a trusting guy. He and Ben obviously have mutual animosity of lethal proportions. Ben clearly is willing to do whatever it takes to keep Widmore from finding the island, and Widmore knows it.

    So whoever's in charge of the freighter personnel hires Kevin Johnson. Fine. 80% of the people on that boat are lying about something, so it's quite plausible that they don't do a thorough background check or panic if they learn that's not his real name.

    But wouldn't you expect them to at least search the big box with his name on it? And yeah, the bomb was hidden under some tools, but does a deck hand bring his own tool kit? Opening the case and finding a bunch of tools would make me even more suspicious.

    So, here are the possible explanations that I can think of:
    1. plot hole slightly bigger than a bread-box.
    2. Widmore's people are idiots.
    3. Widmore and Ben are actually in cahoots in some way.
    4. There are more double-agents on that boat, and whoever was in charge of freighter security is working for Ben.

    I'm going with 4. But 3 could be an intriguing twist.
     
  15. Mike Farrington

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    There's no evidence that Ben's people (The Others) shot Karl and Rousseau. This is just speculation. It could very well be the freighter people starting Purge 2.0.
     
  16. jeff125va

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    Well, Michael was gone for a while too, so it could have been planned. Or, they kept Michael away for a while just to make it seem less obvious that Walt was gone too.
     
  17. Mike Farrington

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    I half-expected Captain Gault to go "I Know" after Sayid's spiel about Michael/Kevin. That possibility is still open since they showed absolutely no reaction on Gault's part.
     
  18. Delta13

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    I felt exactly the same way! I may watch again, just to see if he really says it this time. ;)

    I'm surprised no one mentioned the voices occurring off-island, before Libby showed up to Michael on the freighter. It could have been an overactive imagination on his part, but having having visions is one thing.

    And he only saw Libby because Ana Lucia was not a good person. And speaking of which, isn't Michelle Rodriguez in jail or something?
     
  19. Rob Helmerichs

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    Word at the time was that Perrineau thought the show was beneath him and wanted out. Without Walt, there was not much point in Michael, so he got his wish.

    Which would make his return a sign that reality has since sunk in. :D
     
  20. CarynFromHermosa

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    From wikipedia:

    On December 23, 2007, she (Michelle Rodriguez) turned herself in to begin the jail term in the Century Regional Detention Facility located in Lynwood, CA.[28] On the evening of January 9, 2008, Rodriguez was released after serving 18 days of her 180 day sentence, due to overcrowding.[29]
     

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