Lost - Meet Kevin Johnson 3/20

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  1. jamesbobo

    jamesbobo with a grain of salt

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    Here's something that hasn't been mentioned. Michael hasn't told anyone about the island, not even his mother. But he is an adult. I find it a little hard to believe that Walt could keep that a secret for long, especially from his grandmother.
     
  2. jkeegan

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    More random thoughts..

    They made it pretty clear that the guys shooting off the team were the "mercinary team".. They have machine guns, and when he hit a clay tablet with it, he happily yelled "KILL SHOT!".

    The bomb scene was had a bunch of stuff in it.. He had to enter a specific code (7-1-7-7-6), so presumably that was the "count down then pop up the flag" code.. I imagine Ben will give him a different code later, which actually detonates the bomb. (One could say the bomb was a complete fake, and no code detonates it, but Michael's first answer to Sayid's "Why are you here?" question is "I'm here to die", so I think at least he thinks it can explode).

    So, before he hits the Execute button, I was sure I heard (and I've confirmed, even via captions) Mama Cass playing in the background ("..but it's getting better...", which is what was playing exactly when he turned the corner for that last drive toward the end of the dock..). Then Libby appeared and said "Don't do it Michael".

    So, several questions: Why would the vision of Libby say not to do it, when it's just a flag? Did whatever controls the apparitions/visions/ghosts (the island?) not know that the bomb wasn't going to go off? Or was the vision there to say not to do it, because even the act of pushing Execute (when thinking it WOULD do something) was some unforgivable unredeeming act?.

    Also, Ben's explanation that he had to show Michael the difference between himself and Widmore (that he wouldn't kill innocent people online) doesn't completely jive with his one-sentence-earlier surprise at hearing that Michael had entered the code on the keypad.

    Michael: "You put me on this boat.. Talked me into blowing it up. And when I pushed the damn button, a flag pops up."

    Ben (with a very surprised/shocked look on his face): "You actually activated the bomb?"

    What's up with that?

    When Ben's talking to Michael and says "..and what wouldn't a man do for his son?", maybe that's a small foreshadowing to what a man would do for his daughter.. Karl's a loose deadly sperm cannon that could kill her, so he takes him out.

    So the list of names Ben gets.. at first I just thought "ah, another list.. and someone will figure out who the good and bad people are", separate them somehow, then blow up the boat or something. But then I realized that that's also how he got the details for Charlotte, Frank, Danny, and Miles.

    I agree with the idea previously stated that Sayid's outting of Valeria Pla.. err.. of Michael Dawson, was probably the event that Ben referred to in Sayid's flashback.. bad things will happen (from Sayid's perspective) as a result of outing him.

    When the Captain heard this, he had a guarded expression on his face (no obvious emotion, except some possibly-faked/possibly-real concern).. And earlier in the episode, when Michael said "Not now man" and Sayid said "yes, right now", the Captain was walking up to the top of the boat and looked down at the two of them, as if he knew something was up.

    Loved the Star Wars reference from Karl (he had a bad feeling about this).

    There's blood (or at least a red paintball) on Karl's shirt (on the right side of his chest), and he's unconscious. Ah, yep, then in the next scene there's a red bullet exit wound on his back.. he's gone. (The captions said "bullets whizzing", so at least the captions people thought they were bullets, not darts.. There was smoke coming from where trees were hit too, so it looks like bullets to me).

    I dunno if this is the first time we heard Alex's full name Alexandra.. (I still cling in the back of my mind to an idea I had back in season one that if we took all of the names mentioned on the show, the # of characters would be the square of some number, and if we fill a that#xthat# grid with the names, it'll make a word circle with some final easter eggs or something, since they focused on a word circle in some early episode (the pilot?), and people's names have often been a big issue (having part of a name delayed until later, having aliases, etc).

    Last point - another great acting part, but more a great acting voice: Alex screaming "Wait Wait Don't! I'm Ben's daughter! I'm his daughter!!"
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    ...which implied to me that she figured out what happened--that Ben had set Karl and Danielle up. And there will be hell to pay down the road.
     
  4. Mike Farrington

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    It implied to me that she knew that her relationship to Ben is of benefit to her in that they would not kill someone who could be used as leverage against Ben.

    Edit to clarify: She believes that the people from the boat are the ones shooting. I'm not 100% convinced (only 70% convinced).
     
  5. gchance

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    Wow, 7 pages and nobody's mentioned the easter egg to beat all easter eggs.

    Did anyone notice Naomi's butt-crack as she went through the door right after talking to Frank on the freighter?

    Greg
     
  6. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    The guys shooting off "the team"? You mean Karl and Danielle? They weren't shot with machine guns...
     
  7. MickeS

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    Well, he did crash his car and managed to come out of it with very little harm. Not much different from your example above.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

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    I didn't get that at all. (Doesn't mean it's not true, just that I didn't get that at all.)

    I thought (and still think, until somebody shows contrary evidence) that during the assault, she figured out that if they wanted her dead she'd be dead, ergo it's Ben's people, ergo she wanted to make DAMN sure they knew who she was so they wouldn't accidentally shoot her.

    Either way makes for a logical interpretation; the reason I like mine is that it ties more stuff together, which seems to be how these people (Lost writers) operate.
     
  9. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    I think that if she believed it was Ben's people doing the shooting, she'd be screaming "It's Alex! Don't shoot me!".

    The very fact that she referred to herself by her relationship to Ben "I'm Ben's daughter" seems to indicate that she believed that the people shooting didn't know who she was---and therefore most likely were from the boat.

    That's about who she thought was doing the shooting. As for who actually was doing the shooting, well, I don't know.
     
  10. jkeegan

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    I think I typed "off the deck" and the iPhone mangled it without me noticing. I wasn't talking about Danielle's group at all.. I was saying that a good portion of the boat people seem to be mercinaries, lending credibility to Ben's claims that they'll eventually kill everyone on the island.
     
  11. getreal

    getreal postcrastinator

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    I'm thinking that the code Michael punched in for the "bomb" was actually transmitting a signal to Ben's folks at the Temple that the freighter people were close to the island, and that they need to prepare to start shooting things that move -- which accounts for them picking off Danielle and Karl.

    Then again, Lapidus did take the helicopter on a mission, so he may have brought a sniper to a mountain to pick people off.

    And as for how Mr. Friendly got to NYC from the island, I'm picturing a rubber ducky inner tube and a paddle. :D
     
  12. Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

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    Yeah, I think she was shouting because she believed it was the people wanting to get Ben that were shooting.
     
  13. Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

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    Those two events happened days (weeks?) apart.
     
  14. stellie93

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    So we're being told that Widmore wants whatever is of value on the island and will kill everyone there to make sure that they don't get in the way or give away the location of the island back in the real world. Also so he doesn't get caught for the fake wreckage which if Tom's evidence is real, could catch up with him.

    So he lets 6 of them go and either kills the rest or lets them stay on the island on the condition that they never leave and don't bother him. Or the Others go in hiding and mount a resistance movement and he can't find them. But why let the 6 go? Why trust them? What's in it for him--so much easier and safer just to kill them.

    Meanwhile Ben is in the real world with Sayid trying to get rid of everyone who knows about the island, figuring he can get rid of those on the island later with smokey's help. But again, he lets the 6 leave and trusts them not to tell. Again why? Neither of these guys is soft hearted as much as Ben might claim to be. They could accidentally let something slip or be tortured. They could (most likely prospect) go crazy.

    When Michael comes on board, Minkowski asks if he's the engineer. So the engineer is new too--another spy? Have we met him?

    So glad it's just a 5 week break. :)
     
  15. Alpinemaps

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    :up: Thanks. Makes me miss that show.

    No, I didn't, but I guess I'll be rewatching the episode now! :p
     
  16. super dave

    super dave Friend Of The Court

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    Guess it depends how far back your rear speakers are set...:p
     
  17. Cindy1230

    Cindy1230 Cuteness overload

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    Which show are you guys talking about? I thought wprager was just being funny.
     
  18. Fool Me Twice

    Fool Me Twice >>>>>>

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    Journeyman.
     
  19. gchance

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    Here, I'll make it easy for ya. :)
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    Greg
     
  20. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    You guys realize that sound effects are added by people who are most likely guessing at what things should sound like, right? :p ;)
     

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