Lost "Follow the Leader" 5/6/2009 spoilers

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  1. May 7, 2009 #101 of 204

    ElJay Active Member

    Apr 6, 2005


    I'm about as happy with this show as Juliet was when she saw Freckles crawl down that ladder. This show has milked its mystery to the point of frustration and confusion.
  2. May 7, 2009 #102 of 204

    stellie93 Well-Known Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    There were 2 groups of people that we knew of both traveling to the same times with each jump. I assumed Rose and Bernard ended up in 1974 like everyone else, and would eventually join up with Sawyer and Juliet in Dharmaville. I wonder if they needed a dentist? Or they may have been given the chance to leave on the sub like Sawyer was. It's just odd that we haven't seen Hurley or someone ask where they are.
  3. May 7, 2009 #103 of 204

    jkeegan Active Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    I'm a bit confused too and need to nail it down in my head, but I THINK they just confirmed last night that the watch has magically appeared out of nowhere.

    If that's the case (Locke gives Richard the same watch that Richard later gives to Locke), and we can't track down where it was manufactured, then that opens up two possibilities in my mind:
    1) The writers overlooked it, which I have trouble believing but I can still imagine... They might have thought it was just a cool idea, without realizing just how consequential that would be
    2) That's actually evidence that there was a timeline "before"(alongside?) this where someone initially manufactured the compass, someone purchased it, somehow it was introduced in the story, something changed, and now the compass is passed to someone else that sends it in the loop. For example, if Richard initially obtained it as a gift from Widmore in the late 50s, keeps it for 50+ years, Locke in 2007 says "go help me over there" (not mentioning the compass), Richard goes over and figures he should help Locke convince early Richard since this Locke seems too confused - so he gives him the compass from Widmore, Locke goes back, gives the compass to Richard in the early 50s, Widmore later sees the compass and therefore decides against buying Richard a compass now in the late 50s, Richard holds onto the gift from Locke until 2007 when Locke says "do you still have the compass I gave you in 1950?", they march out into the jungle, that night Locke says "go help me over there" (still not mentioning the compass), Richard goes over and thinks he should help Locke convince early Richard since this Locke seems too confused, and what better way to convince former self than to give him the compass that he remembers receiving (and being convinced by), so he gives Locke the compass to give to himself. Now you have a tied knot, Widmore's out of the picture, and the compass always came from either John or Richard depending how you look at it, and by examining the events in time you can't determine who it came from.

    That would mean that things do change. Again - either the writers put this compass in as a hint that that was true, or they made a mistake. This time, I'm not sure which I believe.
  4. May 7, 2009 #104 of 204

    latrobe7 Fine for real TCF Club

    May 1, 2005
    The compass is a paradoxical object (or Jinn) that is tied to the time loop:

  5. May 7, 2009 #105 of 204

    Big_Daddy Purveyor of Idiocy

    Nov 19, 2002


    I'm optimistic the writers are keeping better track of things than that. Better than me, obviously forgetting a scene with Christian and Locke!
  6. May 7, 2009 #106 of 204

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Oh, I totally agree with you, and thought her statement was ridiculous, but she wouldn't have the patience for me to explain it to her. If she cared to figure everything out, she knows she can ask, but she doesn't, and I suspect there are millions of others like her.
  7. May 7, 2009 #107 of 204

    teknikel Member

    Jan 27, 2002
  8. May 7, 2009 #108 of 204

    getreal postcrastinator

    Sep 29, 2003
    This episode really overdid the bloody mess from punches to the face for Jack & Sawyer/Lafleur and Juliet. They bleed easier than a pro wrestler who slashes his own face with a razor blade before the match.

    I sorta' liked that analogy.
  9. May 7, 2009 #109 of 204

    tiams New Member

    Apr 19, 2004

    I think all the emphasis on the compass is important. It's just too complicated for me to get my mind around though.

    Didn't someone (Sayid or Locke) previously try to use a compass on the Island and discover that it could NOT find North?

    Interesting that in this episode Richard almost repeats his sarcastic remark to John.
    John: "what is it?"
    Richard: "its a compass"
    John : "what does it do?"
    Richard: "It points North, John."
    And now:
    Richard : "Shes a little rusty but she can still find North."
  10. May 7, 2009 #110 of 204

    Philosofy Super Duper Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    What are the manifestations of the Island that we've seen? There is the smoke monster, Jacob (may not be real, but I think its something due to what Locke heard), Christian, and Richard (I count Richard because of his immortality.) Am I missing any? Is Jacob actually Christian (whom I think is actually Jack, aged naturally from 1977.)
  11. May 7, 2009 #111 of 204

    danterner Not it!

    Mar 4, 2005
    Greenacres, FL
    (Some of these are arguable, but): Ecko's brother, Walt, Kate's horse, Dave.
  12. May 7, 2009 #112 of 204

    teknikel Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    The compass has me confused.

    Did the compass come from Locke originally? Lostpedia says he brought two compasses to Australia. One he gave to Sayid. Lostpedia doesn't mention what happened to the other compass.

    Was the compass Locke gave to Richard in 1954 the same one he brought to the island?

    I can't seem to get the origin of the compass.
  13. May 7, 2009 #113 of 204

    tiams New Member

    Apr 19, 2004
    Please refresh my memory. Was Sayid able to get the compass to point North?
  14. May 8, 2009 #114 of 204

    Delta13 Missed left turn

    Jan 25, 2003
    Albuquerque, NM
    2 compasses ... isn't that like a guy with 2 watches? :) It must be a Moebius Compass - it has no beginning, and no end. You know, they've actually made a time mistake here. The compass that Richard gives to Locke before he goes to 1954 should be the original, newer version of the compass. They had Richard give Locke the old version instead and created our origin problem, as latrobe7 mentioned. Which gets us to TAsunder's point - Richard should have 2 compasses, unless he lost the one Locke gave him in 1954 in the Jughead explosion or Sayid borrowed it to build a MacGyver timer/detonator. :cool:

    Hard to say. He could get it to point north, it's just that "north" was off by a significant amount. He said it was either due to some kind of magnetic disturbance, or the dang thing was busted. So take your pick I guess.
  15. May 8, 2009 #115 of 204

    brermike Member

    May 31, 2006
    Johns Creek, GA
    Yes. The compass was incorrectly pointing North due to the magnetic anomly of the Island. However, the compass could still be used to find North once it was determined how many degrees off it was.
  16. May 8, 2009 #116 of 204

    DUDE_NJX Well-Known Member

    Feb 12, 2003
    Am I the only one who didn't mind finding out about the finale, and now is just enjoying the speculation, watching who's wrong and who's more wrong? :)
  17. May 8, 2009 #117 of 204

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 15, 2002
    Red Wing, MN
    I'm fairly certain Dave was not an island manifestation but a Hugo hallucination. And I think Kate's horse was real too. I'd have to go back and look. And did we actually SEE Jacob? I thought so at one point, but watched that episode again recently and couldn't see him anywhere. (EDIT: I guess so, because I just googled images of that scene)

    But there was also Shannon, I think, and Claire. Did Boone appear also as a manifestation or was he only in dreams and visions?
  18. May 8, 2009 #118 of 204

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I guess that could all make sense, but my thought was, when time skipped on the island, didn't it skip for everyone? It did for those that were together (Sawyer, Hurley, charlotte, et al) so why wouldn't the other survivors be caught up in it?
  19. May 8, 2009 #119 of 204

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I get that a lot from people I know. They liked it when it was essentially a survival story but when it got too weird, they just got confused and gave up. I really don't like time travel stories (the real sci fi types...not like Back to the Future), but for some reason, I liked this for the most part, but I have to agree, it has gotten WAY too confusing over the last few weeks, and the only reason I understand most of it is from coming here.
  20. May 8, 2009 #120 of 204

    Big_Daddy Purveyor of Idiocy

    Nov 19, 2002
    The problem with Lost's method of answering questions, is that in the interval between bringing up the question and answering the question, they've raised other questions. Or raise more questions in the answer.

    The two best examples to my mind:
    1. What was down the hatch in Season 1. When they show you, it raised ALL sorts of other questions.
    2. How / why did John Locke die, when he was seen in the casket at the end of Season 4. By the time they showed how it happened, we still weren't sure on the WHY it happened, and a bunch of new questions had been brought up.

    Don't get me wrong. I love this show. But I see why some people continue to play the "they don't answer questions" card.

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