Lost "Follow the Leader" 5/6/2009 spoilers

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  1. May 7, 2009 #81 of 204
    philw1776

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    You need to stop swearing. When Locke uses the pronoun 'him' in speaking directly TO Ben, it refers to Jacob in this instance. Otherwise he would have said "I'm going to kill you" meaning Ben.
     
  2. May 7, 2009 #82 of 204
    JYoung

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    BTW, no comments about Miles' revelation about his father?
    At least he has some peace about that now.
     
  3. May 7, 2009 #83 of 204
    jkeegan

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    Was very glad to see that.
     
  4. May 7, 2009 #84 of 204
    unicorngoddess

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    It makes sense now but when I saw it I felt like the comment was directed at Ben.
     
  5. May 7, 2009 #85 of 204
    Bananfish

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    Dang, you stole my theory!

    In addition to what you've mentioned, the confrontational and cavalier way that Locke tells Ben he's going to kill Jacob seemed to me like a way of saying to Ben: "I know Jacob's a fake, and now I'm going to go expose that to all the Others, so you're little ruse is dead."

    I don't remember the "Help Me" scene(s) all that well, but could that have just been some kind of elaborate trick by Ben and/or Richard to fool Locke into believing in Jacob?
     
  6. May 7, 2009 #86 of 204
    jkeegan

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    That'd be a pretty elaborate trick, given that Ben's reaction to John hearing Jacob say "help me!" was to shoot him in the stomach and leave him for dead! :D
     
  7. May 7, 2009 #87 of 204
    vman

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    I'm sure it's just me, but it took a while for me to realize that when Ben and Richard were talking near the end (Richard: I think Locke is going to be trouble"), Ben's statement "why do you think I tried to kill him" was referring to the first, unsuccessful attempt to kill Locke (when he shot him and dumped him in the mass Dharma grave), as opposed to the second, temporarily successful killing of Locke in 2007. Not a plot you find in many shows...
     
  8. May 7, 2009 #88 of 204
    danterner

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    This captures what I love about LOST. Talk about a convoluted crazy set of circumstances that has to transpire in order for the above sentence to make sense! And yet it does. I'll be sad to see this series conclude, but I am SO looking forward to the final season.
     
  9. May 7, 2009 #89 of 204
    stellie93

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    In this week's podcast they mention a deleted scene that explains Faraday's theory of changing the past.
    He demonstrates by throwing a pebble into the lake, and then throwing a big rock in and saying that while the pebble can be course corrected, a boulder might make so many waves that a new stream would be created. If I've got it right it might be how they're rationalizing a big change....or not. They said the scene was deleted because it was too long. Something to watch for on the DVD's.



    I assumed that before Dharma was there they just dug a hole and put the bomb in from the top. Why they put it in their tunnels, who knows? Then Dharma built a village over it. Are these the same tunnels smokey was in? Do they go all over the island?

    Are they going to detonate the bomb there--not much choice unless it's Smokey, or something supernatural. Aren't they a long way from the Swan? It doesn't matter where the explosion is? If they do this, I assume Dharma will be done, so no more traveling bunny experiments. What exactly was the thing about this island that threatens the existence of the world? Is it something that the Others are doing? Dharma? The Losties? I don't see how stopping the plane crash fixes everything. And Daniel didn't know the bomb was directly under Dharma, so he wasn't counting on eliminating them.

    And, where are Rose and Bernard? I thought we were promised that we would know what happened to them, but no one asks, they surely weren't with Dharma, and no sign of them with the others. Maybe they discovered that Rose's cure is permanent, and went home on the sub. You'd think they would have said something by now. :(
     
  10. May 7, 2009 #90 of 204
    Bierboy

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    Wow....you really hit the nail on the head there, Hip. My sister falls into this category. She almost gave up on Lost earlier this year, but she's plodded along, watching the captioned repeats to try to gain a better understanding of what's going on. She's in it until the end, but she gets frustrated just as you mentioned.
     
  11. May 7, 2009 #91 of 204
    DevdogAZ

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    The last time we saw Rose and Bernard was on the beach in late 2004/early 2005 just after the Island was moved by Ben. Locke, Jin, Miles, Charlotte, and Daniel started skipping around through time, but we have no evidence that Rose and Bernard went time skipping too. So presumably they stuck around on the Island and maybe set up a camp with the other 815 survivors, or maybe integrated with the Others. There was mention in this episode that there was a group at the Temple, so maybe that's where they are.

    Neither Dharma nor the sub were ever on the Island at the same time as Rose and Bernard, so they couldn't have gone with Dharma or left on the sub.
     
  12. May 7, 2009 #92 of 204
    DevdogAZ

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    My wife expressed the same thing last night during this episode. She said, "I'm so over this show. Nothing ever changes. We never find out anything." I can't really sympathize with her, because it all makes perfect sense to me and I'm extremely engrossed in the story, but it shows that there are others who watch religiously who are not as engrossed because they just don't get everything that's going on.
     
  13. May 7, 2009 #93 of 204
    jkeegan

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    They haven't even done the time traveling bunnies experiments yet.. The Orchid station hasn't really been built yet - all they did is dig a hole.

    What happened happened. They may or not detonate the H-bomb, but it won't change anything. Faraday thought this was a "new" idea of his that hadn't been tried - that he used his freewill to decide to try to negate this energy by approaching the Hostiles to tell them to detonate the H-bomb. It turns out he's ALWAYS done that then, and he always was killed by his mother then, and his mother always felt sad before sending him to the island, and his mother always told Widmore outside that she'd just sacrificed her son by sending him back knowing full well that [she will/did kill him back then]. His attempt always happened. Jack always heard his plan and carried it forward.

    Richard even remembers it all, including seeing them. The H-bomb will probably cause (or IS) the Incident, and it was all from trying to muck with the past..
     
  14. May 7, 2009 #94 of 204
    jkeegan

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    I think you're wrong. I remember Bernard being very concerned, explaining that yeah this is where there camp was supposed to be, but it had all disappeared! Then eventually Daniel explained that their camp didn't disappear - it just hadn't been built yet.

    Bernard/Rose did at least one jump - to before they built their camp in 2004. I forget if it was the 50s or not, but basically a whole bunch of 'extras' were killed with flaming arrows, but presumably not Rose or Bernard (or they'd have shown that).
     
  15. May 7, 2009 #95 of 204
    jkeegan

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    Dude, explain it to her! We find out like EVERYTHING.. At the end of season 1 people kept asking "what's that hatch thing? we don't even know. what's in there?".. We now not only know who was in there, but what his history was, and why the hatch itself was built! In season 3 people kept asking why they were piling rocks up, and later we see a nice runway that the later plane gets to crash into! In season 2 people kept asking what would happen when the button wasn't pushed (and why anyone was pushing a button in the first place), and we now know all of that! For several seasons we've had people asking what the smoke monster is, and that's been completely explai.. er.. ok, well that one's still a mystery, but they have a whole season to go, and at least we know it's Egyptian-times-old and has been around for a long long time!

    Most of the time when I hear someone say there are no answers, I rattle off a bunch of things that we didn't know like that that we now know, and they seem to come around. :)

    Loving this season. Can't wait for next week, but I'll be sad to see the 2nd-to-last season end (because this was really when the good stuff happened).
     
  16. May 7, 2009 #96 of 204
    TAsunder

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    I'm confused... aren't there two compasses now somehow? Richard gave Lock one, and then different timeline Locke gave the same richard another one. Where'd the second compass come from? I might have been paying inadequate amounts of attention last night.
     
  17. May 7, 2009 #97 of 204
    unicorngoddess

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    Yeah, the last we saw of the two was right after the first flash and Bernard comes running out looking for Rose very worried. They all congragate on the beach trying to figure things out and redshirt guy started freaking out because their camp was gone and that's when they got attacked with the flaming arrows. They split into two groups as they were running away. Haven't seen Rose and Bernard since.
     
  18. May 7, 2009 #98 of 204
    latrobe7

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    Even though the face and hands on compass that Richard gives to Locke are slightly different that the one he shows Locke as a boy; I believe they are supposed to be the same compass. I believe the subtle difference is either a prop error or one of those subtle continuity errors that seem a little to common to be accidental...

    Regardless of whether it was the same one shown to Locke as a boy; there is only one compass changing hands between Locke and Richard.

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  19. May 7, 2009 #99 of 204
    brianp6621

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    I don't think it was. I took it as Ben confirming to Richard that he killed him and he still came back to life.
     
  20. May 7, 2009 #100 of 204
    latrobe7

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    I hope Rose and Bernard don't just turn up dead in the caves (to become the Adam & Eve skeletons). I think that would be lame.
     

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