Lost "Follow the Leader" 5/6/2009 spoilers

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    Fool Me Twice

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    Which anagrams to: Knife Toe Hurt Lot. So, there ya go. It all makes sense.
     
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    whitson77

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    Yeah, it looked really bad. Both the wife and I agreed with you on that.
     
  3. May 7, 2009 #63 of 204
    jkeegan

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    No, they haven't (nor have we seen much reference to the volcano they alluded to, which I expect will be addressed next season sometime, and which we heard about in the same episode). I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they introduced her was to give us a "her" that we could believe statements like "Of course he does.. You look just like her!" would refer to, before it was revealed that Juliete was actually back there too.

    Doesn't work. They could (and probably will) detonate the bomb - sure.. but Faraday's plan working? Nope. Because if it did negate that energy, causing them not to build the Hatch, allowing 815 to never crash, preventing Widmore's 815-hunting expedition with Daniel, then Daniel will never tell them to bury the bomb, nor will he come back with the idea of detonating the bomb to give to Eloise via Jack.

    In fact the only way I even slightly buy Daniel's motivation in the last episode is absolute blinding sadness about Charlotte's loss, which would allow someone to do something without thinking. Because if he thought about his plan for even 5 minutes he'd realize it couldn't possibly even slightly work. He's betting on both sides: he wants the lack of a button hatch to keep the flight from coming down so that Charlotte never dies, but that same unraveling would keep him from ever being able to prevent the hatch digging explosion that he'd stop. Crazy insane bad idea that can't work.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see that their digging at the hatch station wasn't really about to hit a similar patch of energy as at the Orchid station, but rather that Jack and friends detonating the H bomb caused some stream of visible energy/explosion to come out near the hatch station (via the tunnels?), and Pierre sees that and says "look! we dug and released energy, just like that Daniel guy said!". He then documents this, somehow that documentation makes it back to Ann Arbor Daniel 0-3 years earlier, and Daniel decides to come to the island to stop it by detonating an H bomb.
     
  4. May 7, 2009 #64 of 204
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    Richard and his ship in a bottle. They gotta be telling us something there. Are they hinting at his connection to the Black Rock? Is it some sort of metaphor?
     
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    Turtleboy

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    His name, is my name too!
     
  6. May 7, 2009 #66 of 204
    Turtleboy

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    Aside from immortality (or at least long life) we haven't seen any magic powers from Richard. I used to think that he "knew" when and where John appeared so that he can heal him and tell him that he has to die. But we found out last night that Richard knew nothing of the sort.
     
  7. May 7, 2009 #67 of 204
    Big_Daddy

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    I'd wondered about John going to "kill" the myth of Jacob. But didn't he see Jacob? Or at least see Christian, along with Claire, who alleged he "represented" Jacob. THis would suggest he believe Jacob to be real, or at least he believes Christian (whom he doesn't know is Jack's dad) is Jacob. I could see him wanting to meet Jacob, but am still at a loss for why he'd want to kill Jacob, assuming he believes Jacob is actually real.

    ...and you thought the time travel plot made your head hurt....
     
  8. May 7, 2009 #68 of 204
    jkeegan

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    He DOES know that's Jack's dad.

    "Say hello to my son for me!"

    "Who's your son???"

    (followed by him telling Jack that it had to be his dad, and that his name was Christian)
     
  9. May 7, 2009 #69 of 204
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    11. Is trying to kill Jacob the event that causes John to become Jacob?
     
  10. May 7, 2009 #70 of 204
    Steveknj

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    I'm not really liking the Locke killing Jacob thread as much as I am the Sawyer/Jack/Dahrma thread in the story line. This just seems a bit too "out there" even for Lost standards. Locke is just being a bit too coy for my taste. But I'm sure Lost will give us some payoff, and at the end, this will all mean something. But the time frame for the whole Locke thread is a bit too confusing. Like you said, it's making my head hurt.
     
  11. May 7, 2009 #71 of 204
    tgmii

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    I think Jacob is going to be someone from "Brotherhood". :) First Rose, then Freddie. Good thing to use very good actors from Brotherhood, Madmen (Phil), but a little distracting too, unless they are going to re-establish them.
    Freddie tonight was just a really long walk-on role...

    Tom
     
  12. May 7, 2009 #72 of 204
    astrohip

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    Some random thoughts...

    * I vaguely recall them talking about moving the H-bomb, and Richard said something about how hard it was to move a 40,000 lb bomb and we'd move it the same way we moved it the first time. But I don't think he/they ever made it clear what that was. Smokey?

    * Before I crash my brain trying to figure out what Locke meant about killing Jacob, I'll just wait for next week. Pretty much every season ends with an amazing episode that completely resets the table for the next year. I assume they will do the same this year, and it will involve Jacob in some form.

    * And speaking of finales & seasons, my hope is that next week reunites the Losties, and we can conclude the time travel stories. I know several people who watch LOST religiously and truly love the show, but are *not* Lostaholics (never read forums, don't recall every past scene, etc). And while they still love it, these people are very confused. The time travel story lines have left them with almost no idea of what is what and who is where. But they watch because they are invested in the people and story, and it is still one of the best, if not THE best, written show on TV airing today. But I fear another season of time shifting will further confuse the 90% who are casual viewers, making the journey, hence the payoff, more difficult.
     
  13. May 7, 2009 #73 of 204
    MrGreg

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    This may have been covered before, but I don't understand why Sun decided to go back to the island. Yeah, I know she wants to find Jin, but doesn't she have a kid to take care of?
     
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    latrobe7

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    I knew that was the same compass. So where did it come from...?
     
  15. May 7, 2009 #75 of 204
    jlb

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    Maybe I am misremembering things, but didn't Richard bring the compass with him when he "tested" young locke?

    I don't remember exactly how that scene went, and maybe I am smeeking commentary from a long time ago, but nonetheless, I remembered this scene when I was watching this morning.....

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    jlb

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    I just checked on the Lost Wiki that the compass in the pics with young Locke is supposedly not the same compass as the time traveling one.......oh well.
     
  17. May 7, 2009 #77 of 204
    glumlord

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    So what is up with Richard?

    The guy is obviously special somehow, he has been alive and unaged for at least 40 years and has left he island several times.

    Others on the island seem to have aged, Rousseau for example.
     
  18. May 7, 2009 #78 of 204
    sirfergy

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    It should be the same one since I thought he gave it to him in 1954.
     
  19. May 7, 2009 #79 of 204
    Steveknj

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    You may very well get your wish:
    (mild spoilers at this link):

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30621363/
     
  20. May 7, 2009 #80 of 204
    unicorngoddess

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    I'm really confused because at the end I swear Locke told Ben that he was going to see Jacob so he could kill him with him meaning Ben.
     

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