Lost, Eggtown, 2/21 SPOILERS

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by cwoody222, Feb 21, 2008.

  1. Feb 22, 2008 #61 of 307

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA


    Well, those of us who are NOT lawyers have no idea how you could tell it was a state trial rather than a federal trial, so it's all OK :)
  2. Feb 22, 2008 #62 of 307

    MitchO Blasphemer: Uses DVR

    Nov 7, 2003
    Lyndhurst NJ
    Why is everyone assuming that Kate is lying to the world about being Aaron's birth mother? When Jack first described the "8 survivors, 2 didn't make it", my first thought was "that's the cover story for the world to explain why they came out with Aaron and Sun's (to date unborn) child".

    So maybe the world thinks Claire (and Sun?) "survived the crash", gave birth on the island and died before rescue, and Kate, being the "heroine" she is, she took care of the baby and treats him like her own son? Plenty of people adopt babies and call them "my son".
  3. Feb 22, 2008 #63 of 307

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I chatted with someone who said EXACTLY the same thing! I thought he was joking at first. :D
  4. Feb 22, 2008 #64 of 307

    Cearbhaill Garden obsessed

    Aug 1, 2004
    My back yard
    There are plenty of spoliers out there as to who the Oceanic Six are, if you really want to know.
    And not everyone who makes it off the island is part of that group.
  5. Feb 22, 2008 #65 of 307

    TriBruin Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Dec 10, 2003
    Bartlett, IL


    Kinda of like us non-golfer couldn't tell a 5 iron from a 7 iron and why it would make a difference. :D
  6. Feb 22, 2008 #66 of 307

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    Well Ben and Desmond clearly aren't, because they weren't on the plane.

    (Note, I don't have any spoilers about Desmond making it off, but I am assuming that if Sayid did, then Desmond did.)

    Aaron may not be one of "the six" because technically he wasn't on the plane, only in uteruo.
  7. Feb 22, 2008 #67 of 307

    larry1111 New Member

    Sep 29, 2005
    That one doesn't really fit in here but here's some thoughts that came to my mind when randomly watching certain scences from this season:

    1. Obviously nobody can find this island without being in possession of the coordinates (for whatever reason we don't know).

    2. Obviously the island has finally been found as we could see in the flash-forwards of episode 2.

    3. The pilot who was supposed to fly 815 the day it crashed thinks that the plane crash has been staged.

    4. Following the pilot's assumption that it was staged near a DIFFERENT island from the one 815 actually crashed (which, following the logic of point 1, would be the only way for a real rescue crew to find the plane) this would mean that the O6 (maybe + 2 who were "killed" during the plane crash) have actually been transferred from the real crash scene at the "hidden island" to an island where they were rescued later.

    5. It can be assumed that Dharma / The Hanso Foundation is involved in this transfer, whereas the deal is that only 6 will be transferred and that these 6 are obliged to tell the public a certain story after they are finally rescued from the DIFFERENT island (Dharma / Hanso might tip off officials back home after the transfer has taken place and the crash scene has been staged). In this week's episode Jack is testifying that Kate rescued several people after the plane crashed offshore. This story (lie) fits the crash scene at the DIFFERENT island (last week we saw pictures of 815, which (was staged to have) crashed in the sea.

    6. Dharma / Hanso will only keep the people (mostly survivors of 815) on the REAL island alive, if the O6 stick to their story. It appears that Dharma / Hanso needs the remaining people on the island for something.

    7. The people Ben is fighting using Syed know about the scam and the involve ment of the O6. This is why the guy at the golf course is so shocked and tries to get away after learning that Syed is one of the O6. The reason why he does not recognize Syed might be that he does not watch TV (as this group of people seems to be against modern technology).

    Now (before everyone's is getting too bored)...

    8. Could it be that the flash-forwards in Episode 2 of this season (starring the 4 guys who came with Naomi) are actually taking place AFTER they went to the island (and maybe transferred them to the DIFFERENT island). That would explain why Faraday is crying when seeing the pics of the "staged" crash scene on TV. He knows he's done something bad but he can't remember because of his memory issues...
  8. Feb 22, 2008 #68 of 307

    cmaasfamily New Member

    Jan 26, 2006
    Seems they went out of the way to show Kate (and to an extent, the Oceanic 6) as fabulously famous, popperatzi-chased, Michael Jackson show trial type celebs. Plane crash survivors get "tonight, a very special Dateline" appearances, not fan clubs. Bad writing, or does something happen to kick them up to the 'A' list?

    Also, how to reconcile the news reports showing the plane in tact at the bottom of a deep ocean trench with Jack's line about crashing landing on (or did he say near?) a deserted island. We (the viewers) know that one or both are lies but the public in "flash-forward world", wouldn't see those stories as compatible, would they?
  9. Feb 22, 2008 #69 of 307

    Delta13 Missed left turn

    Jan 25, 2003
    Albuquerque, NM
    Why was the trial in California? Because all celebrity trials are held there, silly! No paparazzi live in Iowa, duh! Who'd take all the pictures? :p:p:p
  10. Feb 22, 2008 #70 of 307

    milo99 Well-Known Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    hmmmmm I kind of like you're #8, but there's a problem with that theory. It would make sense for Faraday's to be flash forward. But the pilot wouldn't be calling up the NTSB to tell them they're wrong, and Naomi was getting ready for a mission with them, so those two can't be flash forwards. The anthropologist though, could go either way.
  11. Feb 22, 2008 #71 of 307

    sushikitten LivingLippy.com

    Jan 27, 2005
    Add me to the clueless list - I was totally shocked by the Aaron reveal at the end. Although I was first shocked mere moments earlier, with the Jake/Kate exchange in the parking garage, thinking it was surely Jack's kid she was going home to, which meant that Kate and Jack were going to sleep together before they got off the island. I think I like that better than it being Aaron, but what can you do? :p

    And I have to say that Lost in HD is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than Lost in non-HD. We switched to the regular feed halfway through because HD always has gloops and burbles (i.e. pixellation issues) that knocks out picture and sound and I was getting tired of missing bits... but we had to go back to HD - just wasn't worth the sacrifice!

    P.S. I should have posted last night, when a million things were running through my head about the episode... this morning, I lost everything.
  12. Feb 22, 2008 #72 of 307

    crowfan The Dude abides

    Dec 27, 2003
    Long Island, NY
    For the lawyers, is it out of place for a defense witness to be called before a prosecution witness?

    The defense called Jack to the stand, and then *after* that, Kate's mom came to her and said she wouldn't testify. Wouldn't she have already testified by that point?

    IANAL but I thought that was how it worked.
  13. Feb 22, 2008 #73 of 307

    stiffi New Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Charm City
    Does anybody here have kids? Aaron said "Hi Mommy" clear as a bell. Children don't talk until 1 and 1/2 if you are lucky, and they don't speak very clearly until about 3. You might be able to understand them pretty well from 2 to 2 and 1/2 years old, but boys are generally slow to develop speaking skills.

    My guess, that Aaron (or at least the actor) was 3 and 1/2.
  14. Feb 22, 2008 #74 of 307

    Magister Fat, Dumb and Happy

    Oct 17, 2004
    Columbia, SC
    My son can say hi mommy at 2yo.

    What if Jack is upset with the kid because he figured out that his Father is also the father of Claire's baby. Do we know from Season 1 who the father is? Jack could be really disgusted by the whole thing.
  15. Feb 22, 2008 #75 of 307

    stiffi New Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Charm City
    So can my daughter. But she still sounds like a baby, to an extent. There was just something about his voice, the tonality and crispness, that sounded like a more mature child.
  16. Feb 22, 2008 #76 of 307

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    Oh eeeewwww!!! Both Claire AND Jack's dad know that Claire is his daughter, and you're proposing they slept together anyway?!?!

    That would be gross.

    We have a pretty good idea from S1 who the baby's father is; there were Claire flashbacks where she was living with a guy who eventually freaked and left. I don't remember anything to indicate that wasn't the father.
  17. Feb 22, 2008 #77 of 307
    Sirius Black

    Sirius Black Grey Warden Reject

    Dec 26, 2001
    A City by...
    That would be a severe case of misdirected anger. The kid can't help who daddy is.

    Are you suggesting that Jack and Claire's biological father slept with Claire and that's what drives Jack over the edge?

    I'm thinking at the point we can only guess as to why Jack falls to pieces. We just don't have enough information yet. The worst part is it will probably be next January before we get those answers.
  18. Feb 22, 2008 #78 of 307

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    Yeah... since I'm not a golfer OR a lawyer, I'm still loving this show! :up::up::up: :D

    Now, it's just lucky for me the show is set on a deserted island so it's unlikely I'll have sleepless nights worrying about too many stoopid hi-tech faux pas.
  19. Feb 22, 2008 #79 of 307

    ElJay Active Member

    Apr 6, 2005
    The ending was: :rolleyes:

    I rewound that a half dozen times... Hilarious!!

    That's my main complaint with this episode. The writers chose a very, very poor way to show us (part of?) the "story of the story" in regards to the Oceanic Six or whatever they are. The survivors are making things up and being dishonest about what happened on the island. We get it. Now it would be nice to the viewers if we could see this stuff in faux documentary form or something like that. You know that every news channel in the Lost universe has done at least an hour on the stories of the survivors. It wouldn't hurt the writers to be upfront about something for once in the history of the show.

    Thanks, I also recognized the actor but couldn't place him for the life of me.
  20. Feb 22, 2008 #80 of 307

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    Wait, jacks's father is also the father of claires baby?
    But, jacks father and claires father are the same man. Christian Sheperd. and he knows that claire is his daughter. He wouldn't sleep with his daughter. So no, jacks dad is not also the father of aaron.

    We saw aarons father in season one - he is an artist that decides he doesn't want to be a father. We don't see him for very long, but we know he is not a sheperd.

    edit - sirius beat me to this.

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