LOST - Across the Sea 5/11

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  1. May 11, 2010 #41 of 423

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...


    I thought Smokey had come loose and did it. I mean, I knew it couldn't be, but that was my first initial thought.

    Maybe she could do it the same way they can be walking and one minute it is light and the next it is dark. Or the same way MiB can make the donkey wheel.....
  2. May 11, 2010 #42 of 423

    TiVotion Early Adoptersaurus

    Dec 6, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    Also good questions. Forgot about those.

    I know we're out of time, so I'm still sure these details won't be fleshed out. The only thing I can figure is, fake mom must have some sort of super abilities on the order of MiB. How she knew, what she knew, when she knew it, and where she came from...who knows. She seemed very relieved to get killed though.

    For a conclusionary (is that a word?) episode, I think this one raised more questions than I've seen on the show in a long time.

    I vow not to be disappointed when the whole thing wraps up, though. Just hoping they pack an awful lot into those last 2.5 hours.
  3. May 11, 2010 #43 of 423

    robbhimself Member

    Sep 13, 2006
    well, technically the smoke monster is a completely different being than jacob's brother, and he may have said to manipulate people that he wanted to leave the island, but he is more passionate when he says he wants to go home or that he just wants to leave.. and the smoke monsters home is in that cave..

    i think the smoke monster is the physical manifestation of the light, but a dark version that was created when jacobs corrupt brother was thrown in there after living with the people for so long.. and being dark, it can't return as the heart of the island.. that's where i think clair comes into play, despite being batnut crazy, she is still innocent and full of wonder (like locke was when the smoke monster tried pulling him into the hole a couple seasons ago), i think it needs that bit of good with it to return as the light
  4. May 11, 2010 #44 of 423

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    I hope we don't get any more background shows. I want to see Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Locke and Hurley!!
  5. May 11, 2010 #45 of 423

    cmontyburns Excellent. TCF Club

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX


    People need to get used to the idea that we're never going to know what the island is, not explicitly. So with that backdrop, I think this episode answered a lot of stuff. No, we don't know where Allison Janney's character came from, but we're not meant to. We're just meant to understand that she was the person protecting the island before it was Jacob, and presumably there was someone before her. There's no reason to address anything other than this: we now see that there's a lineage of protectors, and -- evidently, with Jacob dead -- now it's time to find the next one.
  6. May 11, 2010 #46 of 423

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    This would be why there's chocolate and vanilla!
    I thought this was a fantastic episode that really dug in and gave us a ton of background and answers on some big items in regards to MiB and Jacob.

    I'm of the camp that Smokey is the MiB, but released from his body, they all but telegraphed that in FLocke saying " I had a body once" this adds up to that easily IMNSHO.

  7. May 11, 2010 #47 of 423

    mrdazzo7 Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Absolutely nothing about that is news though. I don't think anyone assumed Jacob was the first, and we already know he's not the last. Who built the light house? How did he choose who to bring to the island? How does he have the ability to touch people and heal them, etc.
  8. May 11, 2010 #48 of 423

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    The thouht of her being from a long line that is protecting the cave/island makes me think of Desmond and the button. Got to push the button every 108 minutes. Someone did it before him and then he has to do it.....
  9. May 11, 2010 #49 of 423

    mrdazzo7 Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Just out of curiousity though, can you point out what you felt it answered? Aside from them being brothers and the reveal of adam and eve, I feel like there is almost nothing in this episode that couldn't be surmised without it.
  10. May 11, 2010 #50 of 423

    T-Wolves Member

    Aug 22, 2000
    <babbling>This all has a kind of metaphor feel to me. The "golden light" area is the knowledge of the universe or something. "Smart people" are the scientists poking around, splitting the atom, messing with nanotechnology, cloning, splicing DNA, etc. Experimenting with things that they don't understand and can't always control. Once you get that knowledge, it can be used for good or evil, sometimes depending upon who acquires the knowledge. But once the knowledge is out there, it is out there for good. The genie is out of the bottle.

    Perhaps "Mother" (Nature, Earth?) in protecting the "golden light" is trying to prevent mankind from learning the secrets of the universe? Because if we do, then what? -- it is all over? Once we "see God," the experiment of mankind is over?

    So it appears that the fundamental mystery of Lost is actually the Island. Jacob/MIB are just people who came to the Island and were affected by it (and "Mother"). Interesting.

    One thing I'll always remember about Lost is that it always kept you wanting more. :)
  11. May 11, 2010 #51 of 423

    packerfan Elk Whisperer

    Jan 7, 2002
    Does anyone else think that the noise smokey makes is from the stones rattling around inside his game/box? I noticed that noise when their mom picked up the game, right before she was stabbed in the back.
  12. May 11, 2010 #52 of 423

    johnh123 Member

    Dec 7, 2000
    Over there
    Don't get your hopes up too high. I don't think we'll know much more after this is over than we do now.
  13. May 11, 2010 #53 of 423

    MikeMar Go Pats

    Jan 7, 2005
    How about the desire and reason for MIB/Smokey to want OFF the island?
  14. May 11, 2010 #54 of 423

    philw1776 Active Member

    Jan 19, 2002
    Seacoast NH
    Like many things in LOST, this is simple, fundamental, consistent with the story from the beginning, yet still a mystery. Every time we see something, be it the Others, then Jacob and MiB, there's always a deeper story, sorta like those Russian doll boxes...

    It's Turtles all the way down.
  15. May 11, 2010 #55 of 423

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    No. VA/D.C.
  16. May 11, 2010 #56 of 423

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    I wonder why now though? I mean, MiB I can understand wanting to get off the island, but why smokey? And after all this time, he is not going to find his family.
  17. May 11, 2010 #57 of 423

    tewcewl New Member

    Dec 18, 2004
    Chicago, IL
    What would the timeline be if they were all speaking Latin and wearing those clothes? I'm very curious.

    And as for "Mother," Evangeline Lilly seems to think it's Mother Nature. Myself, I'm not so sure. This episode gave me quite a bit to think about. I just thank the stars that the wait between the penultimate episode and the series finale is only a few short days, not a whole week.

    Wow. Just two more episodes, period.
  18. May 11, 2010 #58 of 423

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 15, 2002
    Red Wing, MN
    At least we know now that the kid that Flocke was seeing in the Jungle is Jacob.

    Heres what I got from the episode, that wasn't necessarily really "said" but implied:

    The island has is the entry point or the cork in a bottle of the world's "life energy." This energy is within all of us, anything living.

    "Bad People" are constantly after this life energy. If they are allowed to uncork this life energy, it will be bad for the world. In essence kill everything.

    So there must be a protector. We don't know where it began, but we know that Allison Janney was one in a long line of protectors. Allison Janney probably came from ancient Italy, because she spoke Latin. But very badly. It was a relief when they switched to the English translation.

    When one protector begins to fade, get tired, or whatever, they get to choose candidates to be the next protector. Allison got lucky and was able to groom her protectors from the birth, when the pregnant woman came to the island and gave birth to twins. And because Allison was very paranoid about bad people, she killed the woman.

    With this great responsibility come great vague powers, such as living forever and being able to burn a village to the ground and fill a well overnight.

    If you fall down the "cave of souls" you become a smoke monster (or at the very least, release a smoke monster who looks like you).

    Adam and Eve, the dead bodies in the cave from the first season, are Allison Janney and her MIB "son."

    The MIB's childhood motivation to get off the island remains to this day, simply because he knows he didn't originate there. It wasn't his home. Why that is bad in and of itself, we don't know yet. (and face it, may never know). But he's evil and doesn't mind killing lots of people to get what he wants. These days, the Protector seems to have a double purpose. To keep Smokey on the island, and the previous one to protect the Cave of Souls from unscrupulous bastards who want to release the energy and unwittingly destroy the world.

    So drawing analogies between Jacob and his Mother, he's been nurturing his candidates since early childhood and manipulating them so they all crash-landed on the island together, so one could be his replacement. Probably the only one who survives.

    How the Alternaverse fits into that, we don't know. Yet.

    Anything else?
  19. May 11, 2010 #59 of 423

    mrdazzo7 Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Still don't know what the reason is, aside from "he's not from the island"... We knew about his desire to leave since the season premiere when he said "I want to go home".
  20. May 11, 2010 #60 of 423

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    No. VA/D.C.
    One thing I didn't like is that the previous episode was made in part to clearly show that Flocke was the bad guy
    This episode had me feeling bad for Nameless...his real Mom is killed by a woman who then takes on the Mother role; he's lied to about what's beyond the island; he learns about the deceit from his dead mother; his twin brother refuses to join him as he moves to live with "his people;" his Fake Mom tries to kill him, then kills and destroys the camp of people he's lived with for 30 years; then his twin brother conks him on the head and sends him into the abyss/light without any choice in the matter, where he turns into some otherworldly smoke thing.

    End of day seems he becomes pretty sympathetic character to me (or at least his motivations seems more reasonable, given what he's gone through).

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