LOST - Across the Sea 5/11

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  1. MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002


    Yeah, that was pretty dumb. Unless she never actually used that word, but called it something else.

    This episode was OK for me, but it felt very much done out of duty, as a way to connect a few dots and move on. Didn't feel like there was a lot of joy or excitement behind creating it.
  2. markz

    markz Well-Known Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    No Jacob, the turtles are just "sleeping"!
  3. TheGreyOwl

    TheGreyOwl New Member

    Aug 18, 2003
    Not relevant to this thread at all, but it's a pet peeve of mine when people get this bit of Star Wars trivia wrong.;) The movies never said that midichlorians were the source of the Force, just said that they indicated how strong someone was in the Force. If you read several interviews by Lucas and some of the EU books, you'll see that the midichlorians are merely attracted to the Force, so more of them means stronger Force. But they don't create it. The origin of the Force is still unexplained in the Star Wars mythos.
  4. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I could be wrong but I thought that Ben came up with and executed the plan while Richard just said "Ok".

    Which Richard may have considered falling under "protecting the Island" as they were getting pretty close to the Donkey Wheel.
  5. desulliv

    desulliv Member

    Aug 22, 2003


    Turtles can live for a long time, but even so. This seemed to be a really lazy device to demostrate some level of innocence.
  6. pjenkins

    pjenkins God bless Texas :)

    Mar 8, 1999
    Plano, TX, USA
    probably for the same reasons I subject myself to the abortion that is Heroes every week it's on ;)
  7. gchance

    gchance 4 8 15 16 23 42

    Dec 6, 2002
    Olivehurst, CA
    Yeah, I have 8 or 9 episodes that I haven't watched, and every time I think, "Wow maybe it's better" and watch one, I'm disappointed... yet don't delete them. *sigh*

  8. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    I'm doing that with 24 this year as well.

    Lost is still awesome TV and still my most eagerly anticipated show each week (though Survivor is close second). But it doesn't mean I don't call out crap. I love the show, but lame is still lame -- even if it's Lost lame.
  9. BrandonRe

    BrandonRe Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2006
    Baton Rouge, LA
    My take was that they had no concept of the death of humans. I know that's not exactly how the scene reads, but that's what I took away from it. Certainly they understood animals dying. But it is likely they had never experienced the death of a human or even thought that such a think was possible.

    Which leads me to another thought I had. This is far from a perfect analogy, but I was reminded of the creation stories of Genesis where Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and was corrupted. Is it possible that the light serves the same purpose as the fruit? That partaking of the light leads to corruption through the imparting of knowledge? That, and that neat trick where you get turned into a smoke monster.
  10. hapdrastic

    hapdrastic Swarley

    Mar 31, 2006
    I got the distinct impression that MiB had a power to "figure things out". He just "knew" how the game worked (unless he made up the rules, which was kind of implied), and he just "knew" how to build the mechanism to control the light/water mixture to build a transporter. This would also explain how he could MacGyver a bomb last episode without ever having left the island and taking Engineering courses.
  11. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    I'll kind of buy that. It's a bit thin, but I suppose Crazed Mom could have perpetuated that.

    But they surely know about blood, breathing, etc. and the similarities of animals and people. Meh, I'll let it go. :)
  12. mulscully

    mulscully Member

    May 31, 2003
    Malvern, Pa
    I am in the camp that smokey is MIB, I believe that going down into the light changed MIB into smokey and he shed his body that's why it was found by Jacob, I believe it got blown out of the cave when smokey appeared...

    If that is so, then smokey/MIB still can't kill Jacob

    My 2 cents
  13. BrandonRe

    BrandonRe Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2006
    Baton Rouge, LA
    But I don't think he "just knew". He told Jacob about the smart people in his tribe who had been studying the strange properties of the island. I thought the wheel was the result of their study and experiments.
  14. IndyJones1023

    IndyJones1023 Auteur

    Apr 1, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Any indication as to when this was supposed to take place? Early 1800s or 2000 years ago?
  15. hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

    Dec 5, 2000
    CO via Chi-town
    What's really in the Golden Hole?

  16. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Anyone but me think that Jacob seemed VERY reluctant at first to be the protector of the island?

    Also, to me, the fundamental difference between MIB and Jacob is the fact that one can lie and one can't. That was huge point "mother" made when talking to MIB. I think this theme has manifested itself over and over again during the series. Ben, to me, is the prime example of this. I've thought for awhile that Ben is the agent of MIB. It's why he's always wanted to find Jacob. I think Richard has kept him away from Jacob MANY times. Ben might be to MIB what Richard was to Jacob. I think a key part of this will be that we need to learn what happened to Ben when Richard "fixed" him. Did we ever learn exactly what happened there? The only thing I remember is Richard telling Kate that he'll never be the same.

    My feelings are known how I feel about this whole Jacob vs. MIB thing. The one thing this episode did, was explain why they were there. I still will feel a bit cheated watching 5 years of events that about 75% of them will be meaningless. Also, hoping we learn something abut Whidmore's role in this. To, that's the biggest enigma out there.
  17. tewcewl

    tewcewl New Member

    Dec 18, 2004
    Chicago, IL
    What happened to your vow to abstain from all episodes of LOST until the series finale? :D
    That's exactly how I read it too.
    I did notice that and found that interesting. The reluctant hero is a trope that's been used many times throughout storytelling in the ages. What intrigues me the most is that Jacob cannot lie. This gives validation to everything that Jacob says, so we know we can trust him.

    I have a feeling the show will have Jacob explaining some things to the LOSTies, including what the rules are. That's pretty much the only thing they left out of this episode and what I was hoping to find here.
  18. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
  19. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2002
    Before Ben killed Jacob, Ben had no idea what the smoke monster was.
  20. markz

    markz Well-Known Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    That's assuming that all the turtles were young or born after the boys were. What about all the turtles (and other creatures) that were already old/dying as the boys grew up.

    On another note, I wonder what Jacob thought the first time he saw a polar bear on the island!?

    I believe that Jacob commented on BIB making up the rules to the game. It was something like:

    Jacob: made a move
    BIB: "you can't do that"
    Jacob: "Why not?"
    BIB: "It's against the rules"
    Jacob: "But you just made up the rules"

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