Lost 5-8-08 Cabin Fever

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  1. May 9, 2008 #61 of 323
    Paperboy2003

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    I think that if that were the case, they wouldve killed young John. They certainly don't seem to be above staging an accident to get rid of someone who might do them (or the island) harm in the future.
     
  2. May 9, 2008 #62 of 323
    MickeS

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    Richard wasn't upset or scared, he was disappointed and angry for wasting his time. If he had passed the test, Richard would undoubtedly have taken John with him (no matter if he was pleased or displeased with that outcome).
     
  3. May 9, 2008 #63 of 323
    Fish Man

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    There are many possibilities why they might have not killed him. One possibility is that it wouldn't have done any good. Lots of "dead" people are having profound effects on the island anyway!

    Another slightly different spin is that it was OK with "them" that he passed the test, but they did not want to reveal that to him at that time. They just wanted that information for themselves.

    Also, the premise was that he was being tested for entry into some special school. Since that was clearly a ruse, if they told him he passed, they'd have had to admit him into some non-existent school that they made up!

    They couldn't reveal to him that he passed because the whole premise of the test was a ruse anyway!

    I think he passed for obvious reasons. The three things he picked, the sand, the compass, and the knife are icons defining exactly who Locke, indeed, is on the island.
     
  4. May 9, 2008 #64 of 323
    Fish Man

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    No way is that obvious.

    They may know that he needs to be left where he is to fulfill his destiny.

    My take on the "test" was that they were ascertaining whether he was the "chosen one" that they suspected he was.

    If the test indicated that he was (as I believe it did) it's very possible that taking him away would have disrupted that very destiny that the test indicated.
     
  5. May 9, 2008 #65 of 323
    danterner

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    Why does Richard necessarily have to be ageless or very old? Couldn't we just be seeing "present-day" Richard, time-hopping?
     
  6. May 9, 2008 #66 of 323
    spikedavis

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    So now when Ben teleports to the desert in the future to find Sayid and Mr. Widmore-he basically leaves Locke in charge of the island...
     
  7. May 9, 2008 #67 of 323
    pjenkins

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    i didn't see that scene as them believing he passed at all, quite the opposite, he seemed genuinely pissed off that he had spent years around John for no reason. i think John deliberately failed the test, unknown to himself as 'why' he was failing, but happening none-the-less.
     
  8. May 9, 2008 #68 of 323
    spikedavis

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    While that is certainly a possibility I feel the creators of the show have been trying to emphasize that he is ageless. We've seen him at the same age with long hair. To me that's a sign that he simply doesn't age. I think he will be tied in to the island's mythology of the statue, ruins and hieroglyphics.

    EDIT: Actually I just thought about something-when Richard met Locke as a boy, he had short groomed hair. When he met Ben as a boy, he had wild, long hair. I wonder what the two years were...
     
  9. May 9, 2008 #69 of 323
    MikeMar

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    Who was the black guy that was wheeling Locke around later, we recognized him but couldn't place him.
     
  10. May 9, 2008 #70 of 323
    GDG76

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    I think it's clear now that Locke was the sole motivation for 815 to crash. Everyone else is just a supporting character.

    However, if they hadn't grabbed 815, the island wouldn't be under attack right now. Locke is the one, by not entering the numbers, who caused it to be found. Perhaps the whole thing is just the continuation of Locke's big trial of faith in the island...
     
  11. May 9, 2008 #71 of 323
    Bierboy

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    Probably sometime in the 60s...:p....that's when I had long hair....now I just don't even have hair...:(
     
  12. May 9, 2008 #72 of 323
    unicorngoddess

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    I also think that the orderly may be Jacob...or some form of Jacob. There was the thought that Christian was Jacob, but as he said last night, he's not. But he is authorized to speak for him. I'm thinking Jacob can probably take the form of whoever he wants.

    I'm sure John "failed" Richard's test. But it would seem he did it on purpose. It seemed like he KNEW the knife wasn't the right answer but chose it anyway. I think he was suppose to pick the comic book. I got the feeling Richard put the knife on top of the comic book as kind of a decoy and when John picked up the knife it looked like Richard was waiting for him to put it back down to get the comic book.

    I also think Claire is probably dead. She kept complaining of a headache, could be she had some kind of brain anurisim or something after the explosion. There's no way she would just be that cool with not being with Aaron unless she had come to terms with something...like her own death.
     
  13. May 9, 2008 #73 of 323
    crowfan

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    Lance Reddick, who also played Lt. Daniels in The Wire. He's been in Lost before too; his character's name is Matthew Abaddon.
     
  14. May 9, 2008 #74 of 323
    Fish Man

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    Agreed.

    She's 100% at peace with what's going on. She accepts it, and at least at some level, understands it.

    She's "dead"; whatever "dead" means in the context of the island and it's influence.

    Christian, who it's pretty clear is "dead", exhibits the same serenity and acceptance.
     
  15. May 9, 2008 #75 of 323
    Slime

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    I think it's clear that the Island needs Michael for a bit longer. Same problem as in NY, he couldnt be killed -- and this time it was obvious that the Island's influence was the cause.
     
  16. May 9, 2008 #76 of 323
    jeff125va

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    I see no reason to jump to the conclusion that Claire is dead. We've seen many different manifestations of dead characters in the show. Some appear only in dreams, some appear to be hallucinations and we're just not sure. I think from what we've seen of Christian he's in a category by himself.

    The same logic that would lead to thinking Claire is dead should lead to thinking that Locke is dead. I mean, he came out of there and just matter-of-factly declared that they're going to move the island. Convincing someone that her baby is fine in the care of another person would certainly be a lot easier than convincing someone that he's going to literally move an island. Her headaches can easily be explained by a mild concussion from the explosion.
     
  17. May 9, 2008 #77 of 323
    whitson77

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    That's what my wife and I were wondering. What sane mother would abandon her baby?
     
  18. May 9, 2008 #78 of 323
    whitson77

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    Same dude that spoke to Hurly in an earlier episode this season. He was in the mental hospital.
     
  19. May 9, 2008 #79 of 323
    jeff125va

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    Locke was born May 30, 1956. The Dharma Initiative was founded in the 1970's. Any rough estimate of Ben's age would put his arrival on the island some time in the 1970's.
     
  20. May 9, 2008 #80 of 323
    Fish Man

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    Thanks.

    I thought he was supposed to have been born in 1956, which leads to an anachronism in this show (of course with the time-travel and all...)

    In this episode, just before prematurely giving birth to Locke, his mother put on a 45 of "Everyday" by Buddy Holly. This single was released in the fall of 1957. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyday_%28Buddy_Holly_song)

    Another nerdy anachronism nit:

    [nerdy nit-pick]
    The record player she used had a BSR OEM turntable mechanism with a plastic platter and plastic tone arm that was not made until the early 70's (and was rather ubiquitous in cheap 70's record players). I think this is why the record player was shown in out-of-focus closeup. The properties department could not come up with a working record player of the correct vintage. The best they could do was early/mid 70s.
    [/nerdy nit-pick]
     

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