Lost 4/20/2010 The Last Recruit

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Nope

There are always proxy services that allow you to pretend to be somewhere else but they systematically block those as well. They are very, very determined to not let anyone outside the US watch some stuff. And we're not talking about full episodes only; I could not watch some Chuck promo clips a while back either. Not happy.

 

Time to move.

 

There have been several instances now of "don't let him speak to you..."

 

I am hoping in the next episode or two that we find out the "rules" of Jacob and MiB. I mean if just wants to get off the island and Jacob was keeping him there, after Jacob died, why not get into that boat that Sawyer got and just leave...obviously he can't be killed by conventional weapons, so I assume hunger and thirst wouldn't do it either.

I don't think he wants to leave the island so much as he wants to do something TO the island and he needs the candidates to do it.

Also, I don't think that Jacob can take over a dead body like MiB can. If that were true, why did he send Ilana to protect them? Jacob would probably want at least one candidate to bite the dust so he could take their body over.

it seems obvious that forces beyond them is wanting the remaining candidates together in both universes. They for second were together on the island this episode, but not in the alternate universe...something tells me that Jacob's end game has to do with the side universe and everyone being together. I think in the event they all get together, Desmond will be there and tell them to chant something or put their power rings on...

 

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Too bad. I can understand why they might not want to show full episodes, but yeah, it doesn't make sense why they would care about clips.

Anyway, it was just the scene where Smokey wiped out Ilana's comrades under the statue.

 

Soo... MIB has spoken to both Jack and Hurley. Are they out of play now? Are they on his side? What about Sawyer and crew?


So much to wrap up in just a few episodes.

 

Are you kidding? And give up 42% tax brackets, 13% sales tax on everything, $4 gas and 8 hour emergency room wait times? No way, not when there's talk of William Shatner becoming the next Governor General. Talk about the final frontier!

 

Here's the dialogue, for the click-and-search challenged:

JACK: Actually, I haven’t-I haven’t decided if I’m coming with you.
CLAIRE: Yeah, you have.
JACK: What do you mean?
CLAIRE: You decided the moment you let him talk to you, just like the rest of us. So, yeah, whether you like it or not, you're with him now.

 

MiB's "rules of engagement" are certainly a mystery to me, and clearly a key to the denouement of the series.

In addition to the "no direct killing" rule that seems to exist (which I'm not actually sure applies to candidates or some other group or circumstances), there also has been some circumstantial evidence that there might be some sort of an "if he's attacked first" exception at play (e.g., he only killed Ilana's men after the hairy goony one shot at him, Richard made a big fuss about not shooting at FLocke when FLocke first saw Richard's group on the beach near the statue, and Dogen told Sayid to attack him before he spoke in what may have been a Dogen scheme to have MiB kill Sayid).

 

The main thing I don't understand, and seems to exist only to create some kind of dramatic tension, is the idea that "all the candidates have to leave with him". It just makes no sense. People are candidates because Jacob saw something in them and facilitated their lives in a way that led them to the island. First of all, it simply "worked out" that those whose candidate numbers correspond to "the" numbers. I think it's just a coincidence, because if he knew in advance that THESE six would be the final ones, then why bother bringing the other 98 in the first place?

But anyway, I don't get what the candidates have to do with MIB leaving, and how that works, since no one could have predicted exactly how many there would be. So if all 108 were alive and on the island, then they'd all have to go? But if it's just five left, then that's all he needs? There's no logic behind it. It's the same thing with season five's idea that all of the people who left have to go back in order to "recreate" what happened the first time. That always just struck me as the writers not knowing how to get everyone back and coming up with a magic answer. It's one of the *VERY* few story points that I always felt was kind of "meh", similar to this idea that MIB can't magically leave the island if he has Jacob's candidates with him. It also makes no sense that Jacob bred Illana for her entire life simply to come to the island and say "you guys are candidates to replace Jacob". Everything she knew, Richard could have done. Or someone else. It was just pointless to me.

I'm hoping the MIB/Jacob episode coming up (I think) explains some of this stuff because it never really made sense. I get that MIB is supposed to be evil and Jacob wants to keep him there to protect the world, and that the candiates are people he picked for whatever reason to have his job, but I don't get a lot of these "rules" that seem to exist. I also hope the explain exactly what about MIB is so massive that he can physically "end the world". Of course I'd also like to know how a shape-shifting, mind-scanning, chain-sound-making pillar of smoke exists in the first place, but whatever.

 

Just watched now. Awesome. No time to read the whole thread so sorry if a smeek, but I thought the view Jack had after the missle shot with his head lying on the beach, looking at schrapnel (sp?) seemed a lot like when he was on the beach after the plane crashed.

 

I've never had a problem using a VPN service when I was out of the country.

 

She could just as easily be recognizing him from the events of seasons 1-5.

 

Am I misremembering, or didn't "Christian" (MIB) try to lead Jack off a cliff in season 1? This also seems similar to "Dave" trying to get Hurley to jump off a cliff later on.

 

I've been wondering about Desmond's role in the end-game, and it has led to all sorts of thoughts about the Island.
- Oceanic 815 crashed as a direct result of Desmond's failing to push the button in the Swan hatch in time to prevent a release of a certain amount of electromagnetic energy. So one could claim that Desmond was solely responsible for the crash of Oceanic 815.
- But we've seen that Jacob used the Lighthouse to watch the "candidates" for years before they came to the Island. And we know that Jacob definitely touched Locke, Jack, Hurley, Sun & Jin, Kate, Sawyer, & Sayid (and possibly Ilana).
- We know that when Jacob touched Richard in "Ab Aeterno," his touch was intended to grant immortality. Did Jacob intend to grant immortality to the others that he touched, as well? Is that why they survived the plane crash? Can Jacob's touch mean something else besides immortality? (it looks like fish don't get immortality)
- Is it possible that, because of Desmond causing the plane crash, Jacob had to go back in time and grant each of the "candidates" belated "immortality?"
- When he told a crumpled John Locke: "I'm sorry this happened to you," was he really saying "I'm sorry I'm bringing you back to life so you will eventually be suckered by MIB, killed by Benjamin Linus, and then MIB will take over your likeness?"
- Is Widmore's plan to recreate the conditions of the original Oceanic 815 crash by having Desmond create another electromagnetic event while the candidates are all together in the Ajira plane? As in Desmond caused the crash -- only he can undo it?
- Does that mean Desmond has to go back to the Swan Hatch and somehow create an electromagnetic event there?
- Or is the plan to use the frozen donkey wheel to go back in time to 2004, and have Desmond either push the button "on time" this time, or does Desmond need to confront his 2004 self and tell him not to leave the hatch so he will be there to push the button while Oceanic 815 is overhead?
- If so, what does this mean for Desmond? If they can successfully undo the 2004 crash, will Desmond have to remain there until somebody else discovers him? Is that why Widmore is eager for this to happen -- so Desmond won't get back with Penny and have a child with her?
- Where does Jack fit into all this? Wouldn't he have to be back on the plane for it to work?

I guess these questions all kinda revolve around the idea that the crash of Oceanic 815 was some kind of mistake, not something deliberately engineered by Jacob. Perhaps the candidates (or their children) were slated to arrive years later, and the crash caused by Desmond was an unusually-coincidental mistake?

I think Desmond is there to undo what he did in 2004. How that fits into the battle between MIB and Jacob, I don't know.

 

Well, the crash has already been undone, and that doesn't seem to have worked out too well...at least, not well enough for the show to already be over!

 

First, there is no "c" in "shrapnel" … and there are two "i"s in "missile".
It seems to me that your memory is foggy. The first scene of the first episode of the first Season showed Jack face up amongst trees in the jungle. He followed Vincent to the beach and part of the wreckage.

The short answer is "No".

I don't know if this bit from the interview was a spoiler, but has it been established that …

Spoiler

… the electromagnetic pulse generates a wormhole? That explains the shot after Dez was zapped by Widmore in the generator cabin where we are flying through the clouds before settling in on Dez looking at his reflection in the airport in LA X.

 

I was thinking a little today, and wondered - if, as Jacob says, this only ends once - why does Jacob need candidates? Candidates for what?

We've been talking about a candidate as if the candidate is a candidate to replace Jacob. But, what if it's something else? I don't know what - maybe the candidate to kill MiB? The candidate that makes the endgame happen?

I convinced myself today that the candidates are not candidates to replace Jacob. I just haven't worked out what they are candidates for.

 

Candidates for a beauty pageant, perhaps?