Lost 2/2/10 LA X (Parts 1 and 2) Spoilers

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  1. Feb 4, 2010 #281 of 380
    Cindy1230

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    And according to the Jimmy Kimmel interview.. Cindy gave Jack only 1 bottle of vodka instead of 2.
     
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    unicorngoddess

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    And instead of saying, This, of course, breaks some kind rules (or something like that, I can't remember the exact line) he just says, "It'll be our secret."

    But, yeah, originally he drank one bottle and put the other one in his pocket for later. Later turned out to be when Kate was sewing him up.
     
  3. Feb 4, 2010 #283 of 380
    stellie93

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    It seems to me that Ben knew Smokey pretty well, but never knew Jacob.

    Maybe they are both aliens whose natural state is smoke monster, but they can also take other forms. ;)



    Are we sure it was the bomb that put the island on the bottom? So what happened to Jacob and MiB then? Did they go somewhere else? Turn into fish? Jacob then had no reason to influence the Losties' lives?

    The fork happened 1 second before the bomb went off. The losties time traveled, and the Dharma people dragged all the metal out of the hole, and continued digging? :confused:

    I think I remember Richard telling someone that some of the Others didn't like Ben's idea of living in Dharmaville. Maybe they are the ones who live at the temple fulltime.

    I hate to think that Christian was MiB. He said he wasn't Jacob, but spoke for him. Maybe Jacob doesn't commandeer bodies but just wins them over as allies. Maybe Sayid will just "speak for him." And Sayid seems like a weird choice for new Jacob. You'd think they would have picked a more popular character. Hurley maybe.
     
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    dianebrat

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    I know while we've never seen white smokey, I do think that there may be something to the ash being and effective barrier for *both* sides of the battle, the MiB and Jacob side, and I can see the ash around Jacob's cabin being to let him rest and prevent MiB smokey from bothering him. That being said, I also have to wonder if the ash could hold either of them INSIDE a location, as in them trapping Jacob in the cabin with it.

    I think there's a lot of ground to cover this season.
    Diane
     
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    Cindy1230

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    From EW interview, Lindelof said,
    Should you infer that the detonation of Jughead is what sunk the island? Who knows? But there’s the Foot. What do you get when you see that shot? It looks like New Otherton got built. These little clues [might help you] extrapolate when the Island may have sunk.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2010 #286 of 380
    vertigo235

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    Yeah,but both the foot and New Otherton were built when the bomb was set off, so that doesnt' really help us at all.
     
  7. Feb 4, 2010 #287 of 380
    betts4

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    I think that is a shame too. They built Walt up little by little and then ? he was sort of a wasted storyline.
     
  8. Feb 4, 2010 #288 of 380
    vertigo235

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    They just need James Cameron to make a CGI Walt!
     
  9. Feb 4, 2010 #289 of 380
    matt@thehickmans

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    Remember Jacob was at the Jin/Sun wedding. In the LA X timeline this probably did not happen. So, whatever Jacob did in the original timeline's wedding to nudge things to his advantage, did not happen (or happened with a different agenda for Jacob).

    Jin and Sun's relationship could be completely different. Sun may not have had a reason to learn English and may not want to leave Jin. They may not even be married.
     
  10. Feb 4, 2010 #290 of 380
    Delta13

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    Jacob could be white smoke I suppose; problem is, every time he appears that way a new leader gets elected. :D
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    Wouldn't it be the other way around? He only turns up after a new leader has been elected?
     
  12. Feb 5, 2010 #292 of 380
    Delta13

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    Oooh, good point. A papal debate, I knew this thread was missing something. :)
     
  13. Feb 5, 2010 #293 of 380
    Rob Helmerichs

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    So is Ben only infallible when he speaks ex cathedra?
     
  14. Feb 5, 2010 #294 of 380
    Peter000

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    The foot wasn't built the same time as New Otherton. It was built at least 150 years before, if not centuries before (we saw the statue in the beginning of the Season 5 finale). New Otherton was obviously built in the 60's or 70's sometime, by the Dharma initiative.
     
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    Delta13

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    And barely that, if at all. He strikes me more and more like an antipope, lots of claims but it turns out not really in charge. And following the wrong Big Guy, to boot. Perhaps we should name him Antipope Judas I.
     
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    gchance

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    Speaking of which, someone pointed this out on another messageboard, but I didn't want to post it until I verified it for myself, but I just rewatched the Jin/Sun scene at the airport. Here's the dialogue as they're taking Jin away.

    The person pointed out that neither one was wearing a wedding ring. I couldn't see Jin's left hand, but Sun definitely wasn't wearing one.

    Greg
     
  17. Feb 5, 2010 #297 of 380
    Delta13

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    I don't know Devdog. Why wouldn't the rule apply? The paths of time diverged after 1977, different choices were made, certain events never happened apparently, but there would seem to be no evidence that the alternate timeline, excuse me, the parallel universe, is not just as consistent as the current one is. The differences between the timelines is a result of choices of free will since '77 - which is why I believe it was referenced at the end of the 1 hour "pre-game" show.

    But I know, these 11 dimensions of reality give me a headache ... maybe we could get Michio Kaku to pop in here for the next 16 episodes and really blow things up. :cool:
     
  18. Feb 5, 2010 #298 of 380
    vertigo235

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    Yeah, but how does that help us with knowing if setting the bomb off had anythign to do with the island sinking?
     
  19. Feb 5, 2010 #299 of 380
    DevdogAZ

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    But the point of this discussion is that the presence of the Foot and New Otherton at the bottom of the ocean does not provide any clue as to when the Island became submerged, because both of them existed prior to 1977. The quote from the Darlton seemed to indicate otherwise.
    I'm not saying that the parallel universe isn't internally consistent. I'm sure that it is. I was interpreting the question from bruinfan as meaning that "what happened, happened" in the timeline we've spent five seasons watching should apply to the non-crash version of Flight 815. I don't think that it does.
     
  20. Feb 5, 2010 #300 of 380
    Peter000

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    Let's look at what we know.

    1. Both New Otherton (Dharmaville, whatever) and the Foot existed at the time the Island submerged. Which would place the island sinking at least in the 70's. (Lostpedia puts construction of Dharmaville "sometime in the '70's")

    2. The detonation pretty clearly is the point where the two timelines were created. So the island didn't sink before then. So the island sank post-detonation-1977. I suppose it could have sunk in 1983, or 1995, or some other time after 1977.

    3. The underwater shot shows lots of deterioration and sea life growing on and around the structures. Like it's been below sea-level for awhile.

    4. Ask yourself, what kind of force is required to sink an Island. The only other besides a powerful hydrogen bomb interacting with a pocket of energy powerful enough to move the island through time, perhaps would be a massive earthquake. I would think a massive earthquake would leave more damage to buildings and structures, which were still standing. This was as if a massive sinkhole suddenly appeared under the island and it just dropped to the bottom of the ocean. Like something exploded and tore the bottom of the island out from underneath it. Something like.. a hydrogen bomb exploding in a pocket of powerful time-moving energy.

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    5. The PRODUCER OF THE PROGRAM inferred pretty strongly it was the bomb detonation that made the island sink.

    I just don't see debate here.
     

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