Lost 2/2/10 LA X (Parts 1 and 2) Spoilers

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, Feb 2, 2010.

  1. Feb 4, 2010 #261 of 380
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    59,529
    4,720
    Apr 16, 2003
    Arizona

    Advertisements

    That hadn't even occurred to me, but you might be right. Several other things about the backstories of each of the characters had changed in that timeline, so it's entirely possible that Sun never took English lessons and is still subservient to Jin and has no intentions of leaving him once they land in L.A. If she were, that would have been a perfect time to speak up and ask for amnesty/protection.
     
  2. Feb 4, 2010 #262 of 380
    unicorngoddess

    unicorngoddess Wooooonicorngodess

    11,247
    0
    Nov 19, 2005
    Lewisville, TX
    But wasn't the plan to leave him at the airport in Sydney...not LA? She was suppose to sneak out of the airport and meet a car there and take off but when the car pulled up she changed her mind and decided to stay with Jin because he told her after he did this one thing for her father things would be different.
     
  3. Feb 4, 2010 #263 of 380
    Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    57,096
    3,496
    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    I'm beginning to think that my theory that the Island is purgatory is not accurate.
     
  4. Feb 4, 2010 #264 of 380
    Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    57,096
    3,496
    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    Seriously though, there are two timelines. The first timeline, on the Island, has never been changed. It was the one that always happened, including the survivors going back in time and being part of the Dharma initiative, and then going forward in time to "present day." Nothing there changed because the bomb didn't go off.

    It's only in the other timeline where the bomb did go off that there are changes, i.e. the island is on the bottom of the ocean.
     
  5. Feb 4, 2010 #265 of 380
    latrobe7

    latrobe7 Fine for real TCF Club

    5,853
    145
    May 1, 2005
    Orange...

    Advertisements

    This is one of the ideas that I've seen around the blogosphere that I like; Desmond was not really there on the flight, and probably only Jack could see him... Maybe he's doing the job of 'time-cop' that Hawking did with him.

    Another idea I thought was interesting was that maybe there are two smoke monsters; one is MIB the other is Jacob; the Jacob monster would have been the one that Locke saw that he thought was beautiful and the MIB monster was the one that tried to drag him underground. But then wouldn't the Jacob monster be white smoke?
     
  6. Feb 4, 2010 #266 of 380
    getreal

    getreal postcrastinator

    4,512
    136
    Sep 29, 2003
    Earth
    I believe Locke's final thought was "I don't understand?!!" while Sayid's first words after resurrecting were: "What happened?"
     
  7. Feb 4, 2010 #267 of 380
    Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

    57,096
    3,496
    Mar 24, 2001
    Ft. Lauderdale
    Also remember that at the end of Season 3, Ben ordered Richard to take a group of Others to "the Temple."
     
  8. Feb 4, 2010 #268 of 380
    jkeegan

    jkeegan Active Member

    2,663
    10
    Oct 16, 2000
    Methuen,...
    (Disclaimer - random nonsensical yet fun demonstrably-wrong stream of consciousness to follow, which I don't at all believe)

    Maybe Ben is the forking point. Maybe when Sayid shot Ben, they never tried bringing him to the temple (but they were still all there for the group orientation photo). Ben dies, Sawyer never goes with Kate to bring him to the others, Phil never sees videotape of him going out there, Faraday comes back and asks how they can find the others - but no one knows. Radzinski digs into the construction site, hits the pocket, they build the hatch, and Radzinski ends up inside with Inman. Inman brings Desmond into the hatch. Years later there's no Ben to get caught by Daniele, the Losties never meet the others, no one turns the wheel, no one goes back in time. They still dig up the hatch, still stop entering the code, but there's no ostracized Widmore on the outside trying to get back with a freighter because Ben never kicked him off of the island. Penny might exist (she was fathered off-island before his ostrisation), so she could see the failsafe result and find the island, and still get O6 members off. The island could tell ..

    ah, I give up. :)
     
  9. Feb 4, 2010 #269 of 380
    Necromancer2006

    Necromancer2006 Active Member

    839
    87
    Jan 26, 2008
    I believe you should have thought that a long time ago since it was denied in 2005 by Abrams himself.
     
  10. Feb 4, 2010 #270 of 380
    CardfaninKC

    CardfaninKC New Member

    4
    0
    Apr 17, 2007
    In a previous season, we were led to believe that Ben "summoned" the Smoke Monster as an act of revenge after Alex was killed.

    I'm having trouble reconciling that with what we saw happen in this episode.
     
  11. Feb 4, 2010 #271 of 380
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    59,529
    4,720
    Apr 16, 2003
    Arizona
    Yeah, I guess you're right. OK, throw my theory out.
    Zoom!
     
  12. Feb 4, 2010 #272 of 380
    latenight

    latenight New Member

    92
    1
    May 5, 2005
    Here are my 2 cents for what its worth.

    While the MIB (new Locke) found a loophole and a way to kill Jacob, Jacob knew of the future and set out to have someone take his place as the "good" vs the MIB "evil". This is why Jacob went back to give Hurley the artifact which told Jacobs followers that they needed to save Sayid. With Sayid's resurrection Sayid will now take over Jacobs role on the island. To Jacob I think his own death was simply the "progress" that he first mentioned to the MIB.

    From the first time we saw Jacob and the MIB and they were looking at the ship approaching the MIB said you still trying to prove me wrong. MIB believes that any group that finds the island will come... fight... destroy..currupt and it always ends the same. Then Jacob said something interesting. It only needs to end once and then everything else is just progress.

    Its hard to argue that the Oceanic crash survivors didn't come, fight, destroy, currupt but who is to say that the experiment is over. Could what they do in the alternate timeline be used to prove Jacob was right and the MIB was wrong.

    My guess is the series ends with Locke and Sayid looking at a boat approaching the island and locke telling Sayid, Do you know how much I want to kill you?
     
  13. Feb 4, 2010 #273 of 380
    bruinfan

    bruinfan Well-Known Member

    6,710
    1,143
    Jan 17, 2006
    Elk Grove, CA
    isn't the temple temple separate from that entrance/hole?
    what we thought was the temple was more of an entranceway... we saw the temple... all brand new and stuff.

    i think it was to keep smokey out.
    it was jacob first, then smokey got in when the cabin was shifting... and that's when we see christian/smokey

    so does "what happened, happened" not apply to the alternate timeline?
    i believe that's smeek #3; over/under is 6 1/2
     
  14. Feb 4, 2010 #274 of 380
    Shakhari

    Shakhari Well-Known Member

    1,313
    155
    Jan 2, 2005
    I think it would have been a funny throwaway to see Nikki and Paolo on the plane ...

    My take on the smoke monster is that it can't kill anyone who was touched/protected by Jacob. The pilot and Eko would have been fair game.
     
  15. Feb 4, 2010 #275 of 380
    Test

    Test Well-Known Member

    3,895
    58
    Dec 8, 2004
    Didn't the magnet effect happen when they stopped pushing the button in the hatch? I think that is the exercise bike Desmond was using in the beginning of season 2. I think all that junk was left over from the second incident.

    Is this true? I don't remember and I was thinking that maybe it was reversed this time around and that was the escape money Jin was going to use to run from his father in law.

    Last thought...could the timeline that we see where 815 never crashed be the aftermath of when they finally set everything right at the end of this season? What I mean is, instead of fixing their problem and setting things right midway through the season then following up with how life is for the survivors for the rest of the season they are doing it at the same time so they can end it with one big finale?
     
  16. Feb 4, 2010 #276 of 380
    Cindy1230

    Cindy1230 Cuteness overload

    447
    0
    Oct 31, 2003
    Bethesda, MD
    From lostpedia-
    "Ben has been shown to be able to summon the [smoke monster] to destroy threats to the Island, though he is unable to control it."

    So Ben has summoned it twice-
    1) To kill the mercenaries (which we just see him disappear in the hidden room of his house). (The Shape of Things to Come, S4, ep 9)
    2) And to be judged by it (Dead is Dead, last season ep 12)... but this is when we actually see him pull that plug, right?

    Now knowing 'who' the smoke monster is .. it's funny to think about that ep "Dead is Dead." Ben summons it but he and 'Locke' have to go find it underground along the temple walls. The ground gives away and Ben falls through the hole (the same hole Jack, Kate, N gang walk around?).. which is how he and 'Locke' get separated... and now 'Locke' can do his smoky thing.

    Ben didn't really need to summoned it because he was with it all along :D
     
  17. Feb 4, 2010 #277 of 380
    MikeMar

    MikeMar Go Pats

    46,139
    1,163
    Jan 7, 2005
    Boston...
    ha that is great, didn't even think about that! :) :)

    and yeah that was the same hole he fell through.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2010 #278 of 380
    getreal

    getreal postcrastinator

    4,512
    136
    Sep 29, 2003
    Earth
    Right you are! You know it's difficult to stay current with this thread. I said it before.

    No guarantees from here on in. :cool:

    I like the idea of white smokey vs. black smokey, but there haven't really been any examples of a white smoke monster.

    Too bad they never pursued Walt's potential, as they had alluded to in the Lost Missing Pieces #6: "Room 23".
     
  19. Feb 4, 2010 #279 of 380
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    59,529
    4,720
    Apr 16, 2003
    Arizona
    Obviously not. Shannon wasn't on the plane with Boone. Hurley was the luckiest guy in the world rather than cursed. Jack was a nervous flyer and was being comforted by Rose rather than Rose being the nervous flyer being comforted by Jack.
     
  20. Feb 4, 2010 #280 of 380
    getreal

    getreal postcrastinator

    4,512
    136
    Sep 29, 2003
    Earth
    And Charlie went from being a turd to becoming an obnoxious turd. :D
     

Share This Page

spam firewall

Advertisements