"Loss of Network" - Other Implications

Discussion in 'VirginMedia TV with TiVo - UK' started by AENG, Apr 16, 2011.

  1. AENG

    AENG New Member

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    There is a "loss of network" in my area at the moment that TiVo seems unable to cope with. Restoration forecast is tomorrow, i.e. a 48-hour outage. On-screen messages say I can still view channels direct. I can't. But the box won't let me access any of my recorded stuff either and VM can't address that problem until they have access. So in the meantime I seem to have just an expensive door-stop. :thumbsdown: Formula 1 qualifying got lost but at least I can still fire up the Series 1 and be assured of getting the race tomorrow off Freeview.
     
  2. kmusgrave

    kmusgrave New Member

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    Boat-anchor in Tivo terminology :D
     
  3. OzSat

    OzSat Very Nice Moderator

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    Like the Sky+ box - you can only view recordings if the recorded still has a good signal link.

    It has been reported elsewhere that when the network is down you can not view recordings.
     
  4. CeeBeeUK

    CeeBeeUK New Member

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    When there was a network outage in my region, you could watch recordings by pressing play from My Shows. You couldn't select them because it needs a connection to pull down the meta-data shown on the info page. FWIW.
     
  5. AENG

    AENG New Member

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    Thanks, Ozsat. I've never owned anything Sky or VM (pre TiVo) so I wasn't familiar with that shortcoming.

    Thanks also, CeeBee. The service resumed before I got the chance to try that. I'll be ready to give it a go when the network next fails :) .
     
  6. deshepherd

    deshepherd New Member

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    Just unplug the cable!
     
  7. billybong

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    How totally retarded is that? Once it's recorded it should be viewable until it's deleted.

    What a MAJOR step backwards from the S1.

    So you pay £21/month Tivo tax (£18 for XL + £3) then when the VM network fails you get a boat-anchor.

    10 years of progress eh chaps?
     
  8. OzSat

    OzSat Very Nice Moderator

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    I think the idea is to prevent the box being taken off-site to be used at other locations.
     
  9. AENG

    AENG New Member

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    That's it I think, Ozsat. I hadn't taken fully on board the fundamental difference between an S1 TiVo I own and a VM one which remains Virgin's property.
     
  10. ColinYounger

    ColinYounger It wasn't me.

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    With my recent problems, one of the people I spoke to confirmed that if VMTiVo cannot talk to VM, it will boat-anchor. For exactly the reason OzSat said.

    But - it's not a VM restriction. It's TiVo protecting their sole use contract.

    Remember - TiVo control how the box behaves. VM supply content and connection.
     
  11. smokie

    smokie New Member

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    The bit which worries me (though not THAT much) is if you get a fatal problem with your TiVo which requires a box swap not only do you lose all your recordings but also all your settings and the "knowledge" which TiVo builds up over time.
     
  12. Brangdon

    Brangdon New Member

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    Would you feel better if it were backed up to a VM server somewhere, or would you feel that was a security/privacy risk?

    Such a back-up ought to be doable, and I suppose it would have to be opt-in and encrypted (cf the recent hysteria over iPhone's logging of cell towers).
     
  13. AdamInKent

    AdamInKent New Member

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    I'd much rather that Virgin Techs had the ability to copy the settings between TiVos when they switch boxes.
     
  14. ColinYounger

    ColinYounger It wasn't me.

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    It should worry you lots. I had my VMTiVo for six weeks before I had connection issues. They box-swapped as that is a default action for VM technicians.

    Old box usage was at 25%. TiVo was getting back to what I knew it as - i.e. it was learning pretty much what I like and was getting sensible.

    I now have a two week old baby that still thinks Eastenders might be good to watch.

    I miss my old box.

    *adopts solemn pose*
     
  15. ColinYounger

    ColinYounger It wasn't me.

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    +3 :up:
     
  16. sjp

    sjp Active Member

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    i'm still recording everything to my sky+ box just in case, helps that we have to keep it until we've watched everything that's still on there. trying not to think too much about the extra 20 quid a month that's heading sky-ward.

    once i'm on a vtivo only setup i'd be really pissed at handing back a dead box knowing the disk was perfectly fine.
     
  17. TCM2007

    TCM2007 New Member

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    It's more to do with never having unencrypted programmes on the hard disk, which could be copied.
     
  18. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    I think it's probably both :)
     
  19. TCM2007

    TCM2007 New Member

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    In a 99:1 ratio of importance though. Preserving encryption integrity is vital to Virgin's contracts with content owners. People moving boxes around, not so much.
     

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