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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dmk1974, Jun 12, 2020.
Yeah, but price is a major turnoff for anyone considering one.
Yes. But most people I know prefer ro pay many thousands for their DVRs and nor own them.
I know I've saved thousands over the last thirteen years with FIOS. By using TiVos.
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Another nail (be it a small one) for the TiVo coffin.
I have some pretty big social circles and not one of them includes another TiVo owner. If it ever come up in discussion over the years everyone balked at the idea of the huge upfront costs and/or continuing monthly fees. Or they thought whatever they got from the cable company was good enough. This is why TiVo never grabbed a huge market share, most average people just don’t care enough to want one.
Yes. Most people I talk to balk at the price. Until you point out what they have been paying for their cable modem and DVRs over the last ten years. Then most people feel a little stupid once they realize how much they have actually been paying their cable company all this time. One person at work was paying over $700 a year with DVR and cable modem fees on Comcast. That is a crazy amount of money to pay each year to rent devices.
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Oh yeah I completely agree. But I think most people don’t care, to them it’s easier to get the box from the cable company and if there are problems let them deal with it and go get a new one. Same reason why lots of people preferred to pay for health insurance with a high premium each month with no deductible vs. the opposite.
If not for the price.... TiVo probably would be THE most popular DVR. Many folks don't have 800-1000 dollars for a DVR. A very "niche" product.
Then again... people pay 1k for a cell phone!
Unless things have changed the local cable company here charges $25/month plus tax (DVR fee plus monthly equipment fee) for each DVR
IIRC, there's no longer a "whole house" DVR option, either.
Versus buying a used Roamio with lifetime for $300 or less and paying $2.50/month to rent a CableCard/TA.
The thing is most programs are now available through a streaming option whether you stream directly through a cable company app or direct to the provider. You still have to pay for the content this way or that way but the actual needs for a DVR are shrinking as internet gets faster and cheaper.
P.S. As a side note I usually don't rewatch things so the idea of buying or saving shows for some infinite period of time no longer makes sense for me. There are factions that like to do that but I suspect they are shrinking in numbers as time goes on. I do understand that some shows are hard to find.
Wrong.... Many cable co's have cloud based DVR options. That's as close to whole house as you can get. If you want a Whole House DVR with TiVo, it's going to cost you major bucks for each TV to connect to your DVR.
We are talking new.. Not used, no warranty Ebay stuff. So the cable boxes are the way to go for a lot of folks.
Bottom line is TiVo is too expensive and cost too much for the mass public to buy.
Best Buy has marked these as clearance before.. Nothing new
But shows *expire* off of streaming. I can and have watched shows YEARS later off of my Tivo.
I ALSO am streaming, but pretty much the first thing I check when I go there (e.g. Hulu) is expiring shows. I saw all of South Park was expiring.. so went online.. it's going to HBO Max.. Whew.. so when I decide to catch up on the last couple of seasons of SP, I will do it there. As a real world example, I'm within one episode of Bob's Burgers of caught up.. but at one point I had almost 2 full seasons unwatched. That show IS on Hulu, including old seasons. But other shows aren't. E.g. I misspoke and will probably "have" to watch my SD ("backup") recordings of a few eps of Schooled because only the most recent eps are avail streaming.. and those are something I'm likely to catch up on the most recent season because it was cancelled, so will likely go off of streaming altogether when the new season starts (...until the whole series goes to some streaming.. potentially)
It's really not having to even skip commercials that makes me use the streaming. If I had infinite storage, I'd just record everything. (Though the reason I got streaming in the first place was to use it at the gym, since for ME, both the standalone and built-into-my-tivo streaming doesn't work.)
You should give more detail about what's wrong with it. It's LIKELY just the hard drive. Download the non-protected shows with kmttg, plop in a new 3 TB drive, and it will likely be good as new.. (You could also go through a more extensive process to copy the old drive contents to a new drive and "resize" it so the tivo realizes it's bigger.)
They do and they are usually somewhere in many cases. Justwatch/Reelgood can help with options but yes things disappear. There is so much available and new stuff that comes that I don't have time to look back at the stuff I missed. I am not saying things are currently perfect but I am suggesting we are transitioning fast to cloud solutions.
I do not see any reason to buy things anymore. I rarely ever watch things more than once and if I do its not a deliberate act.
I realize this is sort of ANTI my previous argument, but I _do_ "look back at the stuff I missed", and I do that with the MORE popular stuff, because I know it is likely to be available somewhere. So I stop watching a more popular show, even one *I* like more objectively, sometimes to make better use of the time I have to make sure I can complete a lower rated show that will eventually disappear.
There was a time when "to TiVo it" was the way people spoke, even if one had an early VCR or the cable company DVR (which was usually a poor substitute for the TiVo capabilities in the early days). There are many innovations that TiVo introduced to the consumers. But with success comes imitation, and TiVo has not continued to out-innovate the competition to make themselves newly compelling all over again(*), so a cable companies STB/DVR (or ATV Live Channels, or Recast, or ...) is now arguably approximately equal to what TiVo offers for most people, and in some cases more flexible (because of partner/vendor apps).
TiVo pivoted to the custom provider STB and customer insight market for good financial reasons, because, as Willie Sutton said, that is where the money is. The TiVo consumer market now seems more like GE and lightbulbs, in that they are keeping it around for sentimental reasons rather than the profit it provides(**), and GE just recently sold the lightbulb business because if you can't be number one or two in a market, leading companies get out.
(*) They have, of course, chosen to use their past innovation as a revenue stream via their IP licensing, so rather than moving forward faster than their work-alikes, they move to hold others back. Sort of the same result, but not exactly the ways of the past of TiVo where they showed the way.
(**) There are a number of companies that continue a service that is not exactly profitable because the revenue stream looks good to the financial people who do not look too hard at the actual profitability of the offering (with higher revenue your costs of borrowing are much lower even if there is no profit)).
Major bucks?...for additional TVs a used Mini w/ lifetime is a one-time cost of ~$75 off eBay.
With my cable provider, it appears their cloud DVR is not available with standard cable packages...only on the skinny bundles, and only for a whopping 50 shows kept for 90 days maximum.
Yeah, even a lifetime Roamio Pro on ebay is $400 or less. Plus ~$75/mini for extra TVs, you could have a 5-TV house all with access to the TiVo for $700 one-time. Xfinity for 5 TV's and DVR by me I think costs $50/mo just for those rental fees.
Remember the days when TiVo was hands down the better choice. It is a dirty sinking shame what Rovi did to this company and how it betrayed its customers.
It's funny this same thread about BestBuy "dumping" TiVo comes up every year or so, and yet they still sell them. Having a clearance sale of an old model doesn’t mean they're dumping TiVo. And the fact that the new model isn’t in stock just means it's out of stock.