Living with multiple rooms (without explicit MRV support)

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Neil Weinstock, May 27, 2007.

  1. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    Just to clarify, it's not "fancy", it's very old-school to do video signal distribution that way nowadays.

    The two main options are:
    1) Peer-to-peer with something like a Tivo, so you have local devices that talk to each other and transfer what they need.
    2) Server-based, where everything is on the server, and you have local devices that pull what they need from the server.
    (or some combo of the above two)

    To distribute the *signal* instead of the *media* was only useful when you couldn't digitally store the media. Now, that's a non-issue, and *signal* distribution is only for those who haven't made it to the 21st century.
     
  2. ah30k

    ah30k Well-Known Member

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    Oh my God, here we go again...

    Please tell me how to watch a show that has been recorded on one S3 on another television please? You keep dodging this question.

    You solution seems to be to beat feet up the steps from one room to the other and set up dual recordings of the same show. How 21st century is that!
     
  3. Chris Fox

    Chris Fox New Member

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    I don't own a S3 or the baluns mentioned below, so I can't verify this firsthand. In order to watch a single S3 on 2 televisions, I would hook the HDMI connection to closest TV and the component connection to the other TV.

    If pulling cables for component video+ digital audio is too hard, consider something like Muxlab Component Video / Digital Audio Balun 500050. It will send all of the signals over a single CAT5 connection and reatils for $99 each (you'll need 2). I've seen them on ebay for much less.

    If you also need IR or analog (which it sounds like you do), there are other balus that add in IR. However, they require a second CAT5 connection. I can't think of the name offhand (I'd check the AVS Forms), but I remember them running about $125 each.

    Hope this helps...

    Chris
     
  4. Jerry_K

    Jerry_K Don't know much

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    Aw jeez, just carry the Tivo into the other room.
     
  5. Chris Fox

    Chris Fox New Member

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    If Tivo would come up with a low cost client, then this would be closer to a true statement (and not just an opinion). No tuners/recording, only playback; kinda like an AppleTV.

    When you factor in the monthly Tivo fees + cablecard fees + additional outlet fees, you start talking about alot of money for larger setups. Lets say you have 6 HD capable TVs in your house and you want to be able to watch at least 3 cable TV shows at once:

    You could go "old school" and buy 3 S3s plus an AV distribution matrix that was at least 3x6. But that requires Season pass management and some pretty smart control system to manage which TV was watching each S3. And the matrix+wiring costs up front may be siginificant.

    You could buy 6 S3s and pay a rediculous set of monthly fees. This assumes that MRV will be available at some point, but you could then watch something different on all 6 TVs.

    To me the ultimate solution would be to buy 3 S3s and 3 client boxes. All 6 TVs could watch something different, and you'd only pay for 3 sets of fees (and hopefully lower up front cost for the boxes). And perhaps a smaller Tivo fee for the client boxes, but no additional cable outlet charges.

    I personally use MythTV to do this now and it is a great platform for me and my wife. Currently I have 1 "server" with 4 tuners and 900 GB of storage, plus one "client". I plan to add another server with at least one more tuner and 750 GB of storage, along with 2 more clients. Unfortuantely, it is a long way from Tivo in terms of setup and maintenance, so I wouldn't recommend to everyone.

    Chris
     
  6. larrs

    larrs Movie Fan-Addict

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    Point me in the direction of how I can put (even SD is OK) video and audio out from my S3 via a coax connection to a second TV and I'll be happy.
     
  7. hiker

    hiker S.o.N.Y.D.a.C.

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    Go to froogle and search for rf modulator. I saw one there for $7.99.
     
  8. larrs

    larrs Movie Fan-Addict

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    Gracias!

    How about remote control options? Any RF remotes that really work well, or maybe a good IR repeater?
     
  9. ah30k

    ah30k Well-Known Member

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    I use this http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/remote-controls/m/988570/ but seem to be having some minor trouble with sensitivity. I think the problem may actually be in the S3 remote. Has anyone noticed a relatively small cone of IR emmission from the S3 remote? I used to be able to point my S2 remote just about anywhere and it would work. I seem to really need to aim the S3 remote closely (I often miss with my power button where only my TV or amp will turn off but not the other).
     
  10. bonnie_raitt

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    http://www.crossbarmedia.com/
     
  11. hiker

    hiker S.o.N.Y.D.a.C.

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    Weaknees has a device that will convert your S3 remote into RF here.
     
  12. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

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    nah- I just bought 2- slap on some huge ESATA hard drives (best buy had 750gb ones on sale for 200 recently) and you have a very forgiving system. It IS a pain to set up 2 sets of everything but you can get HD at both tv's and with the terabyte of storage you have a lot of leeway if you don't get around to cleaning out the now playing list for a while. In fact- it's almost not needed at my house. If it's getting deleted due to lack of space it's likely because we'd never watch it or because it was watched and my kids never got to delete it.

    At some point this year (I know that's a big window) tivo is likely to enable MRV for at least for content that isn't encrypted by cablecard. So all OTA and rebroadcast locals and analog cable at least will have MRV. So you'll only be stuck dealing with dups of digital cable stuff at that point. And who knows maybe we get lucky and tivo gets some sort of approval for MRV for cablecard protected stuff at some point....
     
  13. MichaelK

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    seriously- if someone had the money to buy 6 HDTV's (probably 6-15k depending on when they bought them)- is 48 bucks a month in tivo fees going to kill them.
     
  14. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

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    the harmony 690 works great but it's like 200 bucks so maybe it's best just to buy a second tivo at that point.

    Be careful with the ir repeaters- many plasma's and some LCD's screw them up becasue they emit IR contamination. In those cases you have to buy a "plasma proof" model and you're spending some cash again.

    so for a repeater I'd suggest only buying somethign you can return to be sure it really works for you.

    weakness has an adapter that goes in the battery compartment of a regular tivo remote (which you can buy and will work an S3) and then makes it RF to a receiver you could put with your s3. It is a neat idea- i just couldn't get it to work with my LCD. But they were really good about letting me return it. So that's maybe an option to try. (edit juist saw someone posted it above- AND looks like it can work in an S3 remopte now- thats cool for sure)
     
  15. Solman

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    I wanted to send my signal to the 6 TV's in my house from a Tivo (HD), Tivo series 2, Panasonic DVD recorder, and straight cable. Everything I found was ridiculously expensive, then I found that source selectors are common in the gaming areas. I first bought an x-box and found it really deteriorated the signal-Not surprised at a price of $50. I then ran into a switch box at Best Buy that looked great and ran 4 components and priced at $100 (BB does not have it on their website. It was also important to me to have it remote controlled so I could change the source from any room in the house with me RF remote. The LED displays the name of the component and that can be modified by inputting the name of your component. The inputs are a choice of Component, composite, and s-video. I now have all my components wired to the LR TV (HDMI for HD Tivo) and to the selector switch. Picture and sound is great to ALL six TVs. I have a choice of watching any component in the LR and anything elso on the other TVs. Because one of the four choices is straight cable, I can watch a different cable channel on all 7 TVs or one component in the LR and a different component to the other 6 TVs.

    The name of the switch is "Psyclone source selector system PSC01 HD AV" and comes with the remote. It was $100 at BB but I see it is under $50 on Ebay. I have had it since January and it is still looking great. It goes well with my other components and even has blue lighting that matches my Sony tivo 3000.
     
  16. wdwms

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    Sounds good, but I don't understand how you are carrying the signal to the different TVs in the house.. what are you using?

    -t
     
  17. Solman

    Solman Member

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    I have a small (8 x 8) room adjacent to my LR where all my coax drops come to. Coax is fed to all the rooms. This will work for anyone who has a central area where all drops come to. My sony computer also has a TV tuner that I didn't include in the count and that is also fed from the switch. It works kinda neat-Sony allows you to have a small video box anywhere on the screen, or a larger box that takes about 25% of the screen, or you can use the entire screen. That allows me to watch any component while working on the computer and I can have total control of my components with my RF remote. I do have a 10-way signal Amp that I have amplifying the signal when it comes out of the selector box. I payed Adelphia (now TimeWarner) $95 for the amp. I was very skeptical of what I could get For $100 with the selector switch, but I am very pleased and am hoping it will last-I have only used it for 6 months.
     
  18. wdwms

    wdwms Member

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    So how are you converting the out from the Psyclone to coax? I assume you are running coax to all the other TVs?
     
  19. Solman

    Solman Member

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    Terk sells a modulator that converts componate/composite cables to Rf (coax) It is called a mini-modulator-sells less than $50. That feed goes to the cable amp.
     
  20. wdwms

    wdwms Member

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    Ahh ok, that makes sense. I use the system by Avcast to broadcast my S1 (composite and L/R audio over coax). But i want to add my S3 to it.. and was thinking of using a switcher much like you did.

    I don't need to switch more than two devices and I only need composite, so the psychlone may be a bit overkill for my needs.

    -t
     

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