While there are a lot of threads asking lifetime subscription questions, I can't find a recent one that answers my question. I just ordered four Premiere boxes from Amazon. One Elite and three XLs. The XLs were going for $251 through Amazon (not a marketplace seller). That's $49 less than full price. The Elite was $449 ($50 less than full price). MANY years ago, I was a Tivo customer, having purchased a 1st gen DirecTivo with a lifetime subscription. I never dealt directly with Tivo again after buying the lifetime; all dealings were with DirecTV at that point. Tivo probably doesn't even have a record of me, as I was living at a different address at the time. I mention this because at this point, I believe Tivo would consider me to be a new customer. Will I be able to get the Multi Service Discount on my new Tivos? Let me make it clear: I'm NOT asking if I'd get a discounted subscription or lifetime rate on all four Premieres, just because I owned a DTivo 10 years ago. I'm asking if I be able to get the following Lifetime subscriptions: Elite: $499 (full lifetime subscription price) XLs: $399 each, via the MSD The thing that really concerns me is the fine print on the Tivo webpage for MSD. It mentions that Tivos purchased for FULL PRICE may be able to get the MSD discount. Will Tivo try to tell me that because all four units were purchased at a discount, none of them are eligible for MSD, and lifetime subscriptions would cost $499 on each one?? Honestly, I can't imagine that is their intention, but the wording on the website is clear as mud. I know that Tivo's intent is to offset subsidized hardware - I'm fine with that. I just don't want to be penalized for buying these new units for only $50 less than Tivo sells them for. EDIT: With regard to my mentioning of subsidizing - after reading the pages a few more times, it looks like Tivo is saying that the $99 Premiers and $299 XLs are by definition subsidized, and require either a 1 year commitment or lifetime subscription. They specifically say that the $499 Elite does NOT require any commitment. I'm thinking more and more that my concern is misplaced, but I'd still like to hear it from the experts out there.