Somboby said to me (No Names) That when D* switches to Mpeg 4 and your dvr(directivo) no longer works with D* That They will not replace the dvr with one that works or refund the lifetime service. What do you think. Perhaps they will try and not do one of the two but what will be the end result. Mabye they will send out a new version that will start us rebooting again When I paid my 250 LIFETIME service There were no r15 or hr20. They call it dvr service fine either make my dvr work,The one i have Tivo or replace it with one that works or give me back my lifetime money. D* Made a fatal error when the changed the dvr fee to the account. Cause by now all or most of those S1 boxes are long gone and this would not be an issue. To the gentleman who said D* wont accomodate The liftime subs w only tivo I say I will be looking in my magazines for one of those class action deelies or I may get one in the mail. I may Have to pay for the crappy hr20 now but will be seeing 100-200 credit on my D* account after suit Or I will just leave D* in which case they lose like 80 a month x 12 Whoa 960 bucks. I figure I am good for about another 20 years Whoa thats close to like 20,000 per say 1 million subs lost At least Remember There are many out there that WILL just Leave when tivo is not supported So it is in D* best interest to keep as many subs as possible Now I have 2 Directivo dvrs on my account 2 free hr20s are for sure worth it vs losing another sub. We will see. I reall hope Liberty is a smart company and will see that if they kill 4 million dvrs they will lose a SH*TLOAD Of money.