Let the CES RumorMongering begin!

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  1. Dec 30, 2005 #21 of 291
    smak

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    Dave, if you find a good price on a strip hotel let me know.

    I always go to CES, and i was going to stay with Mr Purple, but then my two other IT work mates decided to go, which is very cool, but they needed a room, and it was by far too late.

    Everything is sold out, or $400-$600 bucks a night. Seeing Excalibur at $475 for a Thursday night is pretty funny.

    We're staying way off the strip for $200 a night, which is ok with me, but it would be easier to find something closer.

    -smak-
     
  2. Dec 30, 2005 #22 of 291
    DCIFRTHS

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    As far as I'm concerned, all of the other things could take a ride in the trunk (and stay there) if the HD dual tuner TiVo shows itself. Can you guess what I wanted for Christmas 2004?
     
  3. Dec 30, 2005 #23 of 291
    megazone

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    You know they showed a working dual-tuner CableCARD box, with integrated 10/100 Ethernet, at CES2005! They had two in the booth - one rotating under glass, and one running on the other side of the room. It had 2 CC1.0 slots, since that's all that existed at the time. I, and others, posted pictures back in January. ;-)

    Remember, just showing a box at CES, working or not, doesn't always mean something is about to ship. For the previous 2 years they also had a standalone ATSC TiVo reference design box.
     
  4. Dec 30, 2005 #24 of 291
    TK421

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    Yup...I think for most people "working model" == deal with a manufacturer to produce and target release timeframe.
     
  5. Dec 30, 2005 #25 of 291
    rainwater

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    I believe TiVo also hinted that that box wasn't really viable because of the cost. Plus, they didn't want to have to invest in 2 cable card 1.0 slots since they will be outdated with multistream ones eventually.
     
  6. Dec 30, 2005 #26 of 291
    Bierboy

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    ...and I would HAVE to believe nest week at CES they will announce ship dates on this unit. I don't think we would stand for anything less after being teased with it since one year ago. :)
     
  7. Dec 30, 2005 #27 of 291
    megazone

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    Actually, I very much doubt it. At best there will be a range, like 'second half of the year', 'third quarter' or 'fall'. We know it isn't going to be before mid-year at best, and when products are that far out too much can change so companies tend to give broad ranges which will narrow as the release draws closer. Better to give a wide range and target the start of the range than to give a narrow range and then miss it and have to deal with the 'missed date' press.
     
  8. Dec 30, 2005 #28 of 291
    Bierboy

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    Yeah, I agree. That's actually what I meant, not a specific date, but a narrower range than "2006". Pony has already said that, as they did one year ago at CES.
     
  9. Dec 30, 2005 #29 of 291
    davezatz

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    Yup - last year Humax showed off a 26" LCD TV with TiVo built-in. Looked sweet. But they said they were looking for hardware manufacturers (and who knows the extent of their relationship/licensing with TiVo) and the unit hasn't shown up yet. Sure would have made a nice bedroom TV!

    (There are current rumblings it will make a reappearance - not sure if it will be running some other DVR software or TiVo stuff. Maybe we'll learn more next week!)
     
  10. Dec 30, 2005 #30 of 291
    megazone

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    Humax went further - they announced the model number of the TV and said it would be out in 2005 (more specific than that, but I'd have to look up my posts from January in TiVo Lovers for the details). And it just faded. the DRT2500 also never shipped AFAIK.
     
  11. Dec 30, 2005 #31 of 291
    DCIFRTHS

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    I think we are going to see it hit the shelves just-in-time for holiday 2006...and given the slow rate at which TiVo introduces new products, I think we'll be lucky if it's out by then. I would love to be wrong about this.

    Frankly, there isn't another product that TiVo could launch, at this point in time, that I would spend my $$ on....all this TTG, XM satellite (remember that one :rolleyes: ), Internet movies etc. are superfluous when the core product can't even record two channels. Please don't bore me with details of how hard/expensive it is. I am aware - sometimes ;)

    I love TiVo, and I am not leaving, but I am finding it difficult to justify the monthly fees when it doesn't have the capability to do what I want it to do...

    With that said, I hope they have at least one on display (and fully functional) at CES :p

    EDIT: I did think of one thing that TiVo could launch that would make me very happy; software for my Scientific Atlanta dual tuner HD DVR.
     
  12. Dec 30, 2005 #32 of 291
    DCIFRTHS

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    I have always thought that this would be a great product. TV and the the ability to manipulate it - in one box. Could it be any simpler?

    The one thing that would put it over the top would be a user replaceable hard drive. If Sony would incorporate this into their SXRD sets, I would be first in line :)

    When RB used to post on the boards, Panasonic introduced, or announced, a TV with Replay built in. I loved the idea then, and I still do. Of course the "Replay" part needs to be replaced by TiVo for it to be a good idea ;)
     
  13. Dec 30, 2005 #33 of 291
    VinceA

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    Cablevision has so much invested in the software on the SAs that I doubt they'd go with TiVo software. I'd love to hear it also, though, since I'm also deep in CV territory.
     
  14. Dec 31, 2005 #34 of 291
    Hew

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    Read this off the TiVo/Yahoo message board:

    "Wavestrength Market Report put out an email that TIVO would be getting big contracts after the first of the year with CBS, NBC and other cable providers. TIVO is allready working with Yahoo to run video clips and I guess maybe there could be some deals in the works like they are saying. Anybody on this board heard of anything along this line? "

    Just a rumor?
     
  15. Dec 31, 2005 #35 of 291
    Justin Thyme

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    For that particular board, there is a strong profit motive for posting false or misleading info.

    I would think you will see the major networks get cozy with the heavyweight IPTV players first- Microsoft, AT&T (SBC), Apple, and to a lesser extent content vendors like Realnetworks.

    Inevitably, they are going to sell to everyone. Where they stick their toe in first has to do mostly with who they feel most comfortable with and who offers the most cash incentives.

    I'm sure Tivo would love to announce something like free news channels and modest fee PPV downloads. I can see Micro$oft or AT&T trying to buy their way in but that is not Tivo's style. Tivo certainly has built up the infrastructure for selling such content into their existing and rapidly growing user base, as we have seen with the red trousers and Rocketboom tests.

    Theoretically, the networks could download HD content to the CC HD Tivo, due to its rumored capability to support MPeg4 (yippee) playback.
     
  16. Dec 31, 2005 #36 of 291
    peteypete

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    You have to remember that the new ceo was pretty high up at NBC and is definately a networker, "get my boys on board", kinda guy, so I wouldn't be surprised if this particular rumor was true.

    Don't know much about the track record of wavestrength though.
     
  17. Dec 31, 2005 #37 of 291
    Hew

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    Plus, Tivo can download content right to your TV which can't be done by apple, yet. CBS and NBC could be looking for the best security and the most convinient way for consumers to recieve their content. TiVo and probably Microsoft could be on the top of the list.

    The CEO, is credited for signing up Comcast as a partner. So making more partnerships with people he knows, isn't out of the question.

    If this is true, how much do you think they would charge for a show that would be kept in your box for 30 days, or a week? Hopefully less then 2 bucks which is what they charge over at iTunes to keep the show forever.
     
  18. Dec 31, 2005 #38 of 291
    Justin Thyme

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    Yeah. Maybe there are people who want to own "That's just Raven" teeny bopper episodes forever.

    The more important question is when will the content industry will offer recent release blockbuster movies, or for that matter any blockbuster movies available on IP. Naturally they will shoot high first to gauge where the market is. But that will not be an indication of where the number finally winds up.

    Ultimately, what they want to know is what will consumers pay. And to answer that question, they would have to go to a platform that is there now, with trackable viewer statistics, option for narrow market testing (download only to a narrow group of users), and analysable demographics. As we know, these are all Tivo strengths, so there are good reasons to choose Tivo. But where the content folks' toe goes first really indicates nothing about platform dominance. I don't see why any of the content vendors would be inclined to lock themselves into one platform.

    But it's pointless to guess where the Content guys go first- maybe it is all of the above since there are so many providers.

    Just as with the high definition disk format war, it's not a technology announcement but announcements from the content folks that will decide many questions concerning IPTV. As unpopular as it is on this board, I favour advertising over PayPerEpisode. Hopefully they do go with Tivo so that they will continue with the advertising funded based "free" model.

    "Not Apple- yet?" - Putting an intel cpu in a Mac Mini to play Mpeg4 purchased from iTunes is not a big deal for apple. Heck- they could repackage the Mini and do IPTV now if they were inclined to exclude HD content. But with most users suffering from inadequate bandwidth, IPTV is still in an augmentation role- not really a primary source and without any visible cablelabs testing, Apple doesn't look like they are on the map for an all in one device. It is also not clear that they will want to foreclose iTMS business to do it.
     
  19. Dec 31, 2005 #39 of 291
    cwerdna

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    If you're willing to stay further from the strip and will have a car, may I suggest http://www.primmvalleyresorts.com/? I stayed at Buffalo Bill's for CES 05 and it was fine. I've reserved my rooms already but I'm unsure if I'm going or not still. The room rate varies depending on the night. It ranges from $44.95 - $89.95/night depending on the night during CES time.

    It's a very easy highway drive (~50 min 1 way I think) to the Strip. I just drove in, parked at one of the hotels (I think Bellagio) and took the CES shuttle.

    Back to the rumor mongering, I seriously doubt that Tivo would partner w/Dish given the lawsuit going on between Tivo and E*. Besides, E* was showing their portable video solution last year and now is selling it (http://www.pocketdish.com/)... but I don't know of a single person who has one.

    I REALLY hope that DirecTV and Tivo decide to resurrect their partnership.
     
  20. Dec 31, 2005 #40 of 291
    davezatz

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    If I go, I'll want to pay to stay on the strip instead of spending two hours a day in the car since my schedule is tight... not to mention the addition car rental expense (is parking free at the casinos?). Also when we visited Las Vegas about 1.5 years ago the line at the car rental place itself took an hour or so which pissed me off (we ended up taking a cab to the strip and skipped the Hoover Dam as a side trip that time).

    FYI smak: Circus Circus has some sort of low rise "Motor Lodge" a block behind their main casino. It's down to $173/nt on Orbitz which is probably 200% more than they normally charge but 50% less than most other stuff at this point.. I'm still watching and waiting and debating.
     

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