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Legion (2018 FX) Season Two *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. Tony_T

    Tony_T Well-Known Member

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    Watched ep3 & 4
    A lot of work goes into the opening credits for 1-3 and in 4 the opening credits come in 56 minutes into the episode (the end of the episode)!

    Great show.
     
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  2. astrohip

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    I've mentioned a couple times how I'm not feeling it this season. Here's an article from TVLine's Dave Nemetz in which says the same thing, but much better worded (and ten times as many!).

    Heading into Tuesday’s Season 2 finale, FX’s Legion remains one of the most visually inventive and ambitious shows anywhere on television. But as a fan, after nearly full two seasons, I’m left wondering: What are all those mind-bending visuals adding up to, exactly?

    I was a huge fan of Legion from the very first episode — enough to give it an “A” grade in TVLine’s original review last year. I loved creator Noah Hawley’s offbeat, psychedelic take on the standard comic-book drama, and was instantly hooked on David Haller’s transformation from troubled mental patient to telekinetically blessed mutant. Season 1’s eight episodes were a bit confounding at times, yes, but they told a complete story, and set up an intriguing universe that was ripe for exploration in Season 2. Legion‘s hopelessly fragmented, damn near impenetrable sophomore run, though, has felt more like it’s running in circles.


    More at the link...
    Legion Check-In: Has FX's Comic-Book Drama Lost the Plot in Season 2?
     
  3. Tony_T

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    I'm now at ep 5 and i think this season is excellent. Very Lynchian. :)
     
  4. Rob Helmerichs

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    I just finished the season, and I still like it a a lot. This year was oddly simpler and more linear than last at its heart...David and Farouk raced to find Farouk's body, as David turns to the Dark Side. Certainly not a conventional way of telling the story, but a surprisingly straightforward story. I'll be very curious to see where they go from here...it's hard to see how David can be redeemed, so I kind of hope he'll be the Big bad next year.
     
  5. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    I thought this season was self-indulgent. Amazing, incredible, stylistic, but without a story strong enough to support it. Beauty without a beast.

    The race to Farouk's body almost seemed a side-show to all the other story lines. Which ended up having -zero- consequence on anything. Minotaurs, chattering teeth, announcements in the background, food rivers, yada yada... all irrelevant graffiti in the end. Characters came, characters went (Ptonomy? Melanie?) with no reason.

    I did like the end. David becoming (or being) the bad guy (maybe) is a nice twist, with potential. I'll come back for Season Three, at least at first, and see how it goes. With a slightly tighter, more focused story (it doesn't have to be a CBS procedural, but it can't be a continuous LSD trip either), maybe I'll stick around.

    I agree with Rob's comment that it was a straightforward story. I just wish they hadn't used ten episodes to tell a two hour story. This show could be so much more.
     
  6. Shakhari

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    I'm OK with David going to the dark side, because everyone is right, he really is insane. What I don't get is why Farouk, who really is a monster as well and has done some truly terrible things, including murdering countless people, is suddenly forgiven and walking around free just because David lost it. Yeah, OK, they need him to fight David, but he gets a pass? Really? Especially since he already went head to head with David and got his ass kicked.
     
  7. KDeFlane

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    And thus we end on Episode #11 for this season (but script #210, because they were originally picked up for a ten-ep season which was expanded to eleven). The episode was titled "Chapter 19" (for the 2-season run), with slate markers for "CHAPTER TEN: Three Years Later" (which seemed plunked in the middle of the action) and "CHAPTER TWELVE: Trial of the Shadow King" (followed by pages of text).

    It feels like at least some of that could have been quoting another source, but I haven't found any originals.

    And the closing song over the credits was saying something like "This isn't real, this isn't happening." I choose to believe this storyline was real, not all inside David's head, but...
     
  8. trainman

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    It was a cover of Tori Amos's "Cornflake Girl," so the line is technically "this is not, this is not, this is not really happening." But then the next line is "You bet your life it is."

    Don't worry, I'm sure it will all be explained in Season 3. :D
     
  9. Tony_T

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    Just watched the season finale.
    Really enjoyed this season. One of my favorite shows and the best Marvel TV show in a sea of Marvel TV shows.

    I don't think David has gone to the"dark side". Looks to me that David was right when he said that Farouk has them all fooled.

    So.... Season 3 will be David and Lenny vs ... everyone.
    Should be another great season.

    Groovy :)
     
  10. Rob Helmerichs

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    Oh, David has clearly gone over to the dark side...you don't rape your girlfriend from the light side. And there's no coming back from that (or at least, there shouldn't be).

    But I agree that Farouk helped drive him there.
     
  11. Tony_T

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    Farouk (as Melanie) convinced Syd that David was evil (and had Syd try to kill David). I believe everything Farouk showed Syd was a lie.
    David made her 'forget' this, and later they had sex. If David made Syd forget the truth, then yes, it was rape, however, I don't believe what Melanie (Farouk) showed Syd was true and that it's all a trick by Farouk (who also made Syd remember the lie he gave her again and accuse David of rape).

    Farouk was locked in a cell. If he found a way to get into Syd's brain (with a mouse whispering in her ear), then he used the same trick on everyone else (except David) to get released from his cell, and put David on trial. When we're shown an event through Farouk, is it real? If David uses his 'power' to erase a false memory, is it good or evil?
     
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  12. robojerk

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    Farouk's memory of his conversation with future Syd was true (though how would today's Syd know that), everything else could have been taken out of context and manipulated by Farouk to show Syd what he wanted her to see and push the narrative that David is the real monster. I feel she was convinced too easily.

    It's hard to really gauge if David has gone bad or this is just a next level play by Farouk. I mean from David's point of view the idea that he goes bad doesn't compute, and he's convinced Farouk put that idea in Syd's head. Is deleting a false idea evil? Then during the trial everyone betrays him. They say he's sick (yeah, he probably is, but they did find him in a mental hospital but it doesn't make him evil) but it might not be his fault, and maybe it's all Farouk's fault messing with his head his whole life. Then to compound it by Farouk walking free. Then Syd saying he raped her, and she pretty much agrees it might be better if he dies. Future Syd never told David that he was the bad guy. Why is Syd trusting anything Farouk says? Also Farouk can easily enough plop ideas in people's heads so Syd saying Farouk showed her something, honestly why believe it? All of that I take from David's point of view.

    I will admit David erasing a memory from Syd's mind is probably a jerk thing to do as they're romantically involved. That could probably be seen as "rape" even if he had good intentions. However in earlier episodes Farouk put those chicken things (delusions) in the minds of Syd, Kerry, and Clark to make them attack Division 3, and getting rid of those parasites was seen as good. Thank god it's fiction, having to come up with a moral line for people like this is a headache.

    I think the actions from David's friends here may push David to stop caring, perhaps start doing evil things. Maybe another persona (not David) take over.

    Finally if Cary Loudermilk was able to send an orb back in time to capture David (what happened to David at the end of season one when he was missing for over a year) as revealed during the trial, then why didn't they also just send a warning then? Or tell Farouk where is body was? Or just kill David? Did we get a good explanation of David's whereabouts while he was gone and how he ended up in that night club? I knows Syd never liked David's answers for his abduction and he did hide things from her like the dance thing, that was what started to cause a rift in trust, her suspicions and him not understanding what he remembered. The future seems suspicious me.
     
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  13. ej42137

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    What channel had the version of "Legion" where future-Syd didn't trick David into reviving Farouk because she had experienced the horrors of David's reign after being corrupted by his powers? The version that didn't include now-Syd's ravishment by David while under his mind control?

    I don't find about it in my TiVo guide; I know it must exist because there is no other explanation for people thinking David didn't turn to the dark side this season.
     
  14. robojerk

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    I think the question of whether or not David rapes Syd is from this line.

    Farouk: "I saw you on the hill, what you did to her-- suppressing her memory, tricking her into loving you again."

    If you read it that David attempts to "mind control" her into loving him again then yeah it's rape.
    If you read it that David just erased the memory that he is the great evil of the future, then it's questionable.

    I like to think it's the latter because when Syd wakes up from after trying to shoot him he says "you had a bad dream"

    Honestly, if it's first one I don't see how this show could be that enjoyable in season 3. His friends now want him dead, and we'll be watching him what? Battle his other personalities knowing there's zero redemption for him. He cant be trusted anymore because he's too crazy, and been philosophized he'll kill everyone, and he raped the girl he loves. If that's S3 I cant see viewers hanging around.

    I say questionable because do we know that it's really Syd in the future? Or since now that the future is changed (Farouk lives) that David would've gone full dark in this time line. And Syd says Farouk showed her, and Farouk is well, evil and shouldn't be trusted.
     
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    It's not just a memory from the future of David being evil, we've seen him being corrupted into evil the whole season, up to and including when he mind-roofied now-Syd in order to have his way with her. He fulfills future-Syd's warning of something even more dangerous than Farouk, justifying as nothing else can the revival of Farouk. Evil-David is the world-killer, not Farouk, who is only a small-scale killer.
     
  16. Tony_T

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    How is Farouk now the hero?
    I could understand David being the bad guy if both David and Farouk were put on trial, but Farouk is now free. Farouk obtained his freedom by taking over Melanie's body to show Syd that David is evil.
    After Melanie (Farouk) convinced Syd, she (he) tells the Minotaur "Kill the weak, we're leaving soon"
    So, I still think that David removed the delusion Farouk placed in Syd's mind that David is evil.
     
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  17. Rob Helmerichs

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    Farouk isn't the hero; he's a villain. It's just that David has become a worse villain.
     
  18. Tony_T

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    "Kill the weak, we're leaving soon"
     
  19. Tony_T

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    I'm not convinced of that....yet.
    Need to see in S3 if David removed a delusion from Syd's mind or the truth.
     

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