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  1. TIVOSciolist

    TIVOSciolist Bye to High Society

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  2. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    I think CBS' philosophy regarding Sunday primetime shows airing after football may have come back to bite them in the ass. They believe that people will hang around and watch the shows no matter how late they air due to football overruns. I think if The Good Wife aired any other night it would be crowned King (or Queen in this case) of that particular night. I stopped watching a lot of CBS shows on Sunday due to their stupidity and I'm sure a lot of others have followed suit, hence the lower than expected ratings. I haven't watched 60 Minutes in over 15 years, and I used to watch it every week.

    You're more than a day late and a dollar short to pile on that heap. But, don't let that discourage you. ;)
     
  3. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    The ratings for CBS Sunday shows are always higher on nights when they have a football overrun.
     
  4. Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, it's important to remember that in general, people are mindless sheep. ;)
     
  5. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    That and they're probably just too lazy to change the channel, which would account for the higher ratings. In reality, since football totally screws up the start times for any subsequent programs, any other shows that viewers might want to watch were already in progress before the game ends so they just stuck with shows they could watch in their entirety. Fox doesn't have to deal with the overruns quite as much because I believe they only have 2-1/2 hours of prime time programs that follow the games starting at 7:30 and have a filler postgame show to fill in the gap, if necessary. They will push everything back if the game runs over, but that's extremely rare unless it goes into overtime. CBS has four one hour shows that air in prime time starting at 7PM, which is a bald-faced lie since they never start at 7 unless they're not airing a late game, which is rare.
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    Which is to say, that. ;)
     
  7. series5orpremier

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    2 Broke Girls is moving back to Thursday to take over the cancelled Angel From Hell's spot. The final 7 episodes of the cancelled Mike & Molly are moving to the bench with no known air date (as are the remaining 8 episodes of Angel From Hell). The final 13 episodes of Person of Interest could conceivably be held until Fall to replace The Good Wife.
     
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    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    Would you please post a link for all of this? It makes no sense, and I'd like to see what else the article discusses, to see if there is some context that might explain this. For example, if 2BG and M&M are vacating, what's taking their place?
     
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    We've had this discussion many times. I don't like it any more than you do (and if I recall, you're not a football fan, so it makes it worse in your eyes) but CBS gets MUCH higher ratings for their Sunday lineup when there's an NFL lead in than they do other times. So why would they not do this? You think if they stopped, the ratings would improve? Nope, they won't. Now they have moved their lineup back a half hour now that the NFL starts their late game at 4:25, but there's still overruns. I just pad my recordings and I'm done with it.

    Fox does it differently because they have never had a show as popular as 60 Minutes in the 7PM slot, so they just extend their post game and / or show a rerun of The SImpsons or something similar.
     
  11. TonyD79

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    And yet Fox is convinced that the opposite is true. That the overrun was bad and took it away a few years ago.
     
  12. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    You recall incorrectly. I watch football every Sunday and Thursday and I'm a huge Ravens fan. I'm also a Redskins fan, although the Ravens are my home team. Fox never really had anything in a 7PM time slot since they mostly leave that slot open for local programming. In fact, Fox only has primetime programming between 8PM and 10PM most days of the week, IIRC.
     
  13. aindik

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    There are two separate questions: the lead-in and the overrun. The lead-in certainly helps. Does the overrun? I'm not so sure.

    Fox shows still have an NFL lead in, but they air as scheduled because Fox has NFL non-game filler content from the end of the game until 8:00 ET.
     
  14. aindik

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    Sunday is the only day of the week when prime time starts at 7 ET, on every network. They all start at 8 ET the other days of the week. Fox and CW end at 10, NBC, CBS and ABC at 11. But they all start at 8.

    Like everyone else, Fox starts prime time at 7 p.m. on Sundays. This Sunday, now that it's no longer football season, the have The Simpsons at 7:00 and Bob's Burgers at 7:30. I think they also run prime time shows at 7 p.m. on Sundays during the weeks of the NFL season when CBS, rather than Fox, has the national game at 4:25 ET.
     
  15. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Except that I can't remember the last time that FOX aired a first-run episode of any show in the Sunday 7 pm ET slot. That slot is almost always a rerun (or The OT during football season), and then the 7:30 pm slot is sometimes new and sometimes a re-run, depending on the lineup, and then usually the new episodes start at 8 pm.
     
  16. TonyD79

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    It has been quite some time but Fox used to have an overrun. I had to pad the hell out of the Simpsons for quite some time. Then they changed and put the OT show and reruns on prior to 8 pm. They could scale the OT and they would just join reruns in midshow and leave their first run shows starting at 8pm alone.

    They decided the overrun was not working. CBS thinks otherwise.

    I want to see hard analysis that says the overrun is responsible for any ratings increase. Not lead in of a game or the fact that football is on in the fall and all shows are new. Or even if it is true.
     
  17. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    CBS generally only has the late game every other week, so it's pretty easy to look at ratings and see that they're higher on the weeks with an overrun than the weeks without, for weeks that are sequential.
     
  18. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    Those are weeks with a lead in and an overrun, versus weeks with neither. That doesn't tell you the portion of the ratings spike that is from the overrun, versus the lead in.

    The question is, what are the ratings when they have the game of the week, but 60 minutes gets on the air at 7:30 anyway.
     
  19. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I don't think there's any way to figure that out, at least not without a LOT of work, because it varies from market to market whether there is a lead in and/or overrun.

    But I just went through the overall ratings from this past fall* and on weeks where CBS had an overrun, 60 Minutes average ranking was 2.82 and Madam Secretary's average was 1.34. On weeks when CBS didn't have the overrun, 60 Minutes averaged 1.36 and Madam Secretary averaged 1.2.

    *I didn't include the week CBS aired the season premieres of their shows, as those tend to be higher than usual by themselves.

    What I found, and which makes perfect sense, is that the effect of the overrun wears off as the night goes on. So the difference in ratings for 60 Minutes are very significant on an overrun vs. non-overrun week, whereas the difference on Madam Secretary is relatively small, and then the difference on The Good Wife (1.08 vs. 1.0) and CSI: Cyber 0.88 vs. 0.8) is nearly non-existent.
     
  20. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    But that's not necessarily the effect of the overrun. I think it would be more accurate to call that the effect of the football lead-in.

    I'll say this to argue against my point, though. The effect of the football lead-in is probably deadened if the lead-in is some filler postgame show like Fox runs, rather than going from the end of the game immediately into the other show.
     

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