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  1. justen_m

    justen_m Cheesehead TCF Club

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    Are you being faceitious? Illiois is eiether a 688 are an Ohio. Probably an improved LA.

    A while ago (early 90s), we removed nucler tlams from our fleet. however, attack subs still had harpoon, ASW, which, theoretically, could, in a Tom Clancy worl, attack boomers.

    Diesel subs attacking one of us? LOL.
     
  2. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    No, not being facetious. Not even sure what part of my post was facetious.

    Are you saying that based on what we've seen on this show, Illinois is a boomer? I don't remember the reasoning, but I thought people in the thread for the pilot agreed that Illinois was a different class sub than Colorado. Based on my limited reading of spy novels, I thought the US only had one class of sub that carried nuclear ICBMs. So if Colorado carries nukes and Illinois is a different class, doesn't that mean that Illinois couldn't have fired the missiles at Pakistan?
     
  3. Win Joy Jr

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    Or, with the prototype disabled, they have no choice but surrender?
     
  4. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

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    Yeah, I can see that line of thinking from someone. But how do you guarantee that you are given a chance to surrender, especially when they've already had cruise missile launched at them and depth charges dropped on them?
     
  5. squint

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    Diesel submarines are actually a serious emerging threat because they're economical and often quieter than nuclear submarines.

    In real life, no.

    In the show, they're of different classes. The Illinois has a ducted propeller and bow-mounted diving planes which means it's either a Sea Wolf or Virginia class submarine. Los Angeles and Ohio class have sail-mounted diving planes and non-ducted propellers as far as a brief Google search could tell me.

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  6. busyba

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    I think there's some confusion over nomenclature.

    I don't think Dev meant to say that the Illinois is a diesel sub when he said "I don't think the Illinois is a nuclear sub." I think he just meant that it couldn't launch nuclear weapons against land targets. He was trying to draw the distinction between boomers and fast-attack subs and just used the wrong terminology.

    Of course, in general when one refers to a "nuclear sub", they are referring to the onboard power generation, not the armament.
     
  7. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    Does today's US Navy even have diesel subs in service anymore?
     
  8. squint

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    No, the US Navy no longer fields diesel submarines.
     
  9. laria

    laria Librocubicularist

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    That's right... Ohio-class.

    Probably. If we're not assuming that in this fictional world they haven't invented some other new class of sub. :)

    The Wikipedia has the fictional USS Colorado listed as an Ohio-class sub, even though the real yet-to-be-built Colorado will be a Virginia-class sub. It doesn't say anything about what kind of sub the fictional Illinois is.
     
  10. Flop

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    AFAIK, fast attack subs were named for cities in the case of Los Angeles class subs, but are named after states for the new Virginia class subs. Boomers (Ohio class) are named for states. Only 3 Seawolf boats were built: Seawolf, Jimmy Carter, and I forget the third, but I believe it was named for a state. There are a few exceptions: Henry Jackson (Ohio class) for example.

    I'm not sure how many Virginia boats are planned, but there were roughly 60 Los Angeles boats built (though a number have been decommissioned). With there already being 18 Ohio boats, if the Navy plans to build even a little more than 1/2 the number Virginia class as they did Los Angeles we'll need to start adding some new states soon. :cool:

    I believe the Illinois is a Virginia class boat currently under construction and would not carry nuclear missiles. At least not those carried by a boomer. I suppose it could have been outfitted with Tomahawks carrying a smaller tactical nuke warhead.

    This is all based on random knowledge I picked up along the way. Clancy's book, The Hunt for Red October, got me interested in submarines years ago, and I still scratch the itch to read up on them every now and then, so take the info for what it's worth.

    Of course, all this is moot in fictional TV land.
     
  11. laria

    laria Librocubicularist

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    If I counted right, there are 31 planned: 9 are already built, 5 are under construction, 3 are named but not yet under construction, 1 is under contract but not named yet (or under construction), and the other 13 are a couple years in the future.

    It looks like the 3 from the final block may be capable of nuclear missiles if they decide to go that way with a replacement for the Ohio-class subs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_class_submarine
     
  12. Legion

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    USS Connecticut SSN-22. I have a remote controlled version on my shelf that I sometimes use to chase the dog around the pool.
     
  13. Ereth

    Ereth Unemployed Bum

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    The US Navy doesn't. There are other organizations that do.
     

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