last resort 10/4/12

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Exactly. They were testing ATOMIC bombs.

 

Chiming in here. I thought it was odd that just prior to the encounter with the Russian soldiers, two of ours were standing in the middle of the little valley talking while the rest of the team was hiding in the trees. It wasn't until someone whistled that they then ran for cover. Was that intentional, or just stupid writing?

 

I think stupid writing. As soon as they both walked out there, I was yelling at the tv, saying what the heck, why would you rendezvous in a wide open area. You can meet up near the edge... use a radio... anything but be a sitting duck.

 

They thought they had more time enforce the Russians arrived, and we're surprised. Still dumb, but largely just shows how outmatched they were against special forces.

My problem with the show is there is no way out for them. With no friends in DC helping them figure out what the plan is, I really can't imagine what they think they are accomplishing. Arms dealer hottie will end up cracking the mystery, but they don't know that...

 

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Just caught up. Still plays like a bad Tom Clacey novel. Not as bad as the Pilot.

Regarding the only copy of the designs and schematics, since it was a prototype I would not be surprised that the technical details have not been delivered yet.

Oh, back to the bad Tom Clancey novel, the prototype giving the boat problems seemed to be a call back to Red October, and the problems with the Catapiller Drive. Wonder if the problems are Sabotage?

 

You think somebody wants to give the boat to the Rooskies?

 

Not to that extent, but members of the crew trying to return back home and ending the situation...

 

That could be a factor.

 

Captain should've gave the same speech to the rest the crew as he did we the COB. They want to get home, but he knows whoever is in power wants them dead.

 

Unless you're talking about a crew member who stayed behind on the island, that doesn't make any sense. By sabotaging the Perseus system, it made the Colorado visible to US Navy sonar and almost got them killed, since the Navy destroyers and subs were hunting them with live ammo. Turning off Perseus doesn't get them "caught," it gets them killed.

 

Yeah, sabotage doesn't make any sense. If the Perseus malfunctions while it's being used, it's just going to mean that everyone on board has a high likelihood of dying.

I don't even think that a crew member that was staying behind would do it - his/her fellow sailors and the boat would undoubtedly mean too much to him/her. They may hate the captain right now, but I can't see someone sacrificing the entire crew/sub.

(Where is john4200 - surely we agree on at least this! )

 

So from what I was able to gather from watching, and reading this thread, the Colorado was supposed to nuke Pakistan. Then the Illinois was supposed to take out the Colorado to somehow hide the fact that it was a direct order.

The Illinois shot at the Colorado anyway (did they ever think that they might actually MISS?), then at some point, fired the nukes at Pakistan? What happened to the Illinois, then? Wouldn't it be obvious to the rest of the world (Russians, for one) that a still-alive ship fired those nukes?

Or did the Colorado eventually fire those nukes? It looked like they did (the whole key turning) If so, why did they eventually nuke them? But the Captain said that they were only down one missile after the DC bow shot. Or did I miss-count?

So I'm confused. Who wound up firing on Pakistan?

-Mike

 

Not the Colorado.

I am pretty sure it was the Illinois, after the Colorado questioned the order.

 

I don't think the Illinois is a nuclear sub. Based on previous threads, we determined that the Illinois is a "fast attack" type sub used to hunt ships and other subs, but not capable of firing nuclear missiles at Pakistan.

We don't yet know where the nukes that hit Pakistan came from. I don't think we're supposed to know.

 

I don't think it's supposed to matter beyond the fact that they came from the US.

 

You're probably right. I think the news clips we've seen have shown that the US acknowledges they are responsible for the nukes, so it probably doesn't matter where the nukes were launched from. I wonder if we'll ever find out what the original plan was, however, since we presume that the Colorado was supposed to fire and then be sunk.

 

Did we determine that based on the show or real-life? Because I only saw someone post about the real-life Illinois, which hasn't been built yet (well, it is under construction). Neither has the real-life Colorado... and they are both supposed to be the same class of sub. So, I don't think we can assume the fictional Illinois is not capable of nuclear weapons just because the real-life one won't be... because then the fictional Colorado wouldn't be either.

 

I thought it was based on information from the show, but I could be wrong.

 

Yes. The news conference the chick with the fivehead was watching was an administration official (SecDef I think?) stating the reasons for the strike. It was something about being a pre-emptive strike for national security interests, or something similarly horrifying.

 

Aren't all subs named after states the same class of sub? In real life anyway?

I think that on the show we're supposed to assume that the Illinois is the same class as the Colorado, because they're both named after states, and that the fact that the class for state-named subs is different in real life from what they are in the show isn't something we're supposed to think about.