Largest drive Edge will format itself

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  1. timeslide

    timeslide New Member

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    Straight Sata connection with a double male sata data + power adapter into the TiVo. Only using the data side between the TiVo and the drive. Using an external drive power source. No enclosure. No eSata involvement



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  2. timeslide

    timeslide New Member

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    will try one of those drives. Thanks
     
  3. JCava81

    JCava81 New Member

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    Where did you find this drive? I see a couple places sell it but my consensus is this drive is available in a Toshiba external case you would need to pull it out of?
     
  4. waynomo

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  5. Dan Cour

    Dan Cour New Member TCF Club

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    How did you connect to the hard drive within the Sabrent enclosure? Thanx.
     
  6. mllacey

    mllacey Member TCF Club

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    I used the internal SATA connector that is connected to the external eSATA connector.

    The enclosure has both a SATA and IDE connector. Notice the IDE connector is not connected.

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  7. bofis

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    Yes, any 4.5mm "gamebit" screw driver would work, I bought this set and the larger one fit the screws perfectly:
    https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BF9CNNX

    My Edge formatted and reads a PMR Toshiba 4TB 2.5" drive, which I installed internally once I pried the plastic case apart ;-)
     
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  8. zand94

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    Do you have a model number on which portal drive that was?
     
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  10. tommage1

    tommage1 Well-Known Member

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    The term "PMR" now includes SMR and CMR. So should use specific CMR or SMR when posting. I will guess your Toshiba is SMR, I don't think there are any CMR 2.5" 4TB drives. Seems many (but not all) SMR drives work with an Edge (the stock drive in the 2TB is SMR) but have no idea how long they will last. Anything under 3 years not good in my eyes. Don't think the Edge has even been out 3 years yet? CMR 3.5 drives, I'd hope 5 years plus, all my Tivos run 3.5 CMR drives, either internal where they will fit or external in enclosure for Bolt (don't have an Edge).
     
  11. multiple

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    Is there any special process under the latest Edge release to get the 5TB drives to auto format?
    Whenever I install my Seagate 2.5" 5TB ST5000LM000 drive the Edge will go into an endless reboot. I can reinstall the original drive and it works fine. I issued a factory reset, since others ran into an issue and which when you use wireless the Edge can go into endless reboot. The factory reset didn't help. I tried 3 of these drives I had on hand and all of them had the same issue. I had one of these in my Bolt for about 2 years now without any issues.
     
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  12. multiple

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    Got it working. My Mac use to report the partitions created by TiVo and other non standard Mac partitions. Not any more. Once I zeroed out the drive, the 5TB drive formatted automatically in the Edge.

    Now I need to figure out how to close the case. This 15mm drive is just too thick. How has everyone else been closing up the case? Do you have to leave the shield off?
     
  13. Peter Collins

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    I have been reading this thread for years and now I am ready to buy and upgrade a Tivo Edge cable system. I have been tempted by the Weaknees but feel that the $699 upgrade kit is too much money. I have watched the hard drive install videos and feel comfortable trying. So, I have three questions:
    What is best 14 TB hard drive to buy?
    I will buy the suggested screw bit mentioned on here. What is best Spudger tool?
    Will Tivo automatically format drive or will it be a challenge?

    Many thanks in advance for any and all help. I have loved Tivo for many years. The Tivo Edge will be the third Tivo. It will be replacing a Tivo XL4.
     
  14. Sixto

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    I only go with Western Digital Purple drives, have been perfect for me. WDxxPURZ.
     
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  15. timeslide

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    Tried this again with a new edge. Western Digital Red 8TB which should be a CMR. Got through the initial setup which then had to reboot. System never completed its reboot. All three lights on front are blinking. Thoughts? FYI drive was in a rosewill enclosure. Connected by eSata cable to a double male sata connector to the TiVo. Rosewill enclosure is the same one others have claimed success with in this forum.

    currently zeroing the drive with a two pass erase in OS X and will try again.
     
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  16. tommage1

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    Hopefully blanking the drive will fix the problem. If not, it's better to go Sata to Sata. Some Esata may not work (since there is electronics involved in the Esata port on the enclosure.) One thing you could try while you wait, hook the stock drive up in the enclosure. Even though it is 2.5". See if it works through the enclosure. What is the exact model number of the enclosure?
     
  17. tommage1

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    Purples have always been my recommendation as they are all CMR (for now). However WD has changed the Purple line a bit. Some of the larger capacity Purples are now 7200RPM instead of 5400RPM. They will still work. But could be a bit noisier and run a bit hotter. Heat should not affect the Tivo since in an enclosure. However I myself might consider finding a previous model that is 5400RPM. They are still WDxxPURZ but the current model numbers have changed, for example the slightly older model 8TB was WD80PURZ, current model could be WD81PURZ or WD82PURZ. I think this change only affects 8TB and up models.
     
  18. tommage1

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    Hmm, well I don't even use a spudger, credit card or screwdriver could do the job. The Edge SHOULD format the entire drive with the latest TE4 software. You may have to blank the drive first. If you watched the Weakness video they go Sata to Esata on the enclosure. I myself prefer Sata to Sata, avoid electronics in the Esata port (Esata port may work on some enclosures but not others.) 14TB drives, any CMR (not SMR) should work. I'd stick with 5400RPM myself. Retail drive (CMR not SMR) good if cost no object and want full warranty. If you like to "shuck" the drive in a 14TB Easystore should work. However lose warranty when removing drive from the Easystore enclosure. I have an Edge on the way myself and will be trying a Sata to Sata 14TB upgrade with an Easystore shuck.

    One more consideration, I notice the screws you have to remove from the Edge to open it up are below the sticker. So you have to punch holes in the sticker to open the Edge. Not sure if that will void the Edge warranty, it might. I am going to try using a hairdryer to soften the glue on the sticker, see if I can remove it without punching holes in it.
     
  19. timeslide

    timeslide New Member

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    Update I bypassed the eSata before seeing your response. That seems to have fixed it. We’ll see if it holds. 8TB formatted otherwise effortlessly.

     
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  20. tommage1

    tommage1 Well-Known Member

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    Very good, now that you have it working make sure you don't switch any drives around, the motherboard flash drive now expects to see the 8TB when powering up. If you try another drive you will mostly likely lose everything on the 8TB (as a general rule cannot swap drives around with Bolt or Edge without losing most everything on the drive swapping in AND the previous drive).
     
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