Kitchen Nightmares - 10/03/07

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  1. Oct 3, 2007 #1 of 35
    VegasVic

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    This one was different than the first two. The kitchen was apparently clean. And no new kitchen equipment was given. Ramsay even liked one of the dishes they fixed for him.

    I'd like to see them get out of New York though.
     
  2. Oct 3, 2007 #2 of 35
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    Not a bad episode, I suppose.

    This episode seemed to be more "reality TV" than the previous two episodes. The way it was edited makes me believe that the shouting event did not actually occur during the dinner service... it looked like they cobbled together 2 or 3 "diner being surprised" shots with the footage they recorded earlier in the day.

    I think this week really showed me what bugs me about the ending to these episodes. In the US version, there's lots of overly dramatic narrator telling us about how well everything worked out... but in the BBC version, they simply show Gordon going back after a few weeks, and you can instantly see what worked, and what didn't (particularly evident in the BBC episode where the restaurant had gone into receivership). Like any good storyteller would say, "SHOW US, don't tell us!"

    Plus, this week seemed like they went way, way overboard in trying to sell the "happily ever after" ending... the bit about "their marriage is as strong as the restaurant" was completely ridiculously schmaltzy... and the whole bit with Gordon Ramsay sponsoring the race? It might have happened, but it just seemed very staged and fake.
     
  3. Oct 3, 2007 #3 of 35
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    I didn't really enjoy this one. It wasn't really a nightmare, just a floundering business.

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  4. Oct 4, 2007 #4 of 35
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    Most of the BBC version is like that though. He comes in to help out not rebuild.
     
  5. Oct 4, 2007 #5 of 35
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    I liked it dispite being over edited and produced. It was nice to see gordon in the kitchen inspiring another chef. If it was not over produced it would of been like the BBC version. This was not a horrible horrible dirty kitchen but a poorly run business with out direction. I can see 3 episodes in it will never be as good as the BBC version but still enjoyable. You still get to see the other side of gordon and that is a good thing. I do like that the owners/chefs in this version seem to really to appreciate the advice and help gordon gets. The bbc version had a lot of stubborn people which drove me nuts.
     
  6. Oct 4, 2007 #6 of 35
    Neenahboy

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    BBCA aired an episode of Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares this afternoon. After watching them back to back, all the reasons why I hate the FOX version become even more apparent.

    While it definitely seemed like they toned down the music this week, it still relies far too heavily on canned diner reaction shots to get its point across and those ridiculous "Still to come" previews for the ADD crowd among us.

    I still hate the fact that they establish a clear villain so early in the show and subsequently fail to examine other possibilities for the restaurant's failure, at least not in-depth. The BBCA version showed us examples from the misguided menus and focused more on the shortcomings of the restaurant's daily operations.

    They need to cut down on the schmaltz and do a real "x weeks later" segment, rather than throwing that in as an afterthought. Getting out of New York should be a priority, but looks like they're in Long Island next week. And I'll say it again: that narrator needs to go NOW.

    It just sucks to see a show with so much potential fail so spectacularly. :(
     
  7. Oct 4, 2007 #7 of 35
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    I agree with what most of you are saying. Especially the "coming up next...." just before commercials, along with a 2 minute recap of what just happened when we come back from commercial.

    I'm not an idiot. I have enough short term memory (and a rewind button) you don't have to waste all the time with the mini recaps. So distracting.
     
  8. Oct 4, 2007 #8 of 35
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    That's true, but in the BBC version we actually see him help. This version of the show is way too focused on front of the house, and it really irritates me that the owners are not engaged at all in the work of fixing up the joint.

    They could have called this show "Gordon Ramseys Crappy Managers" and it would have been fine.

    I miss the interaction with the kitchen staff, seeing them do it on their own, then with Gordon, then on their own again.

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  9. Oct 4, 2007 #9 of 35
    Magister

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    I was surprised that Gordan acknoledged that the chef actually made a good dish. I thought this one was a little bit better since no single person was turned into a horrible villian.

    The race at the end and the 'marriage status' update was stupid.
     
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    Anyone else distracted by the wife Lisa's hair? The last half of the show it alternated between being straight and curly. One scene it was both.

    I have a theory on why all the restaurants are in New York this season. I think Ramsey's restaurant in New York is fairly new, so he does not want to get too far away. With this set up, he is still farily close by. Just a theory....
     
  11. DLL66

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    The Donald moved his show to LA. The last "The Apprentice" really sucked there! Keep it in New York.
     
  12. Neenahboy

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    Completely different situation.

    The BBCA version traveled throughout the UK and didn't just stay in London. Thus, it's reasonable to expect that the Fox version would travel throughout the country.
     
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    I liked it too. How about that "manager" guy taking half of the waitress' tips? Asking them "do you think you would even be getting any tips if it weren't for me?" Crazy. I'm often amazed at the separate realities that people live in (and are willing to show the world via reality TV). :p
     
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    Why should they move around the country while they stay in New York and find the same troubled restraunts.
     
  15. VegasVic

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    If nothing else than to give us a break from the New Yawk accents. :D
     
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    That manager guy (forgot his name) - I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Something's up with that guy and his overnight transformation after they re-designed the dining room - give me air!

    My biggest complaint was that there was a full 3minutes of scenes from past and future episodes. Then each of the 'coming up next' spots at the end of every freaking segment. How much actual show did we get? Seemed like I blazed through the episode in no time flat.

    All I can say is, I hope they do more of the BBCA episodes. I've seen them all and miss that version already.
     
  17. LoadStar

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    The question is: how much of that "sudden transformation" is due to the editing of the TV show, and how much of it really was a literal turnaround literally within minutes?

    I never really had to ask this with the BBC show, because it seemed there was a pretty linear storytelling going on there. Here, it is fairly apparent that they liberally edit the episode to increase the dramatic tension of certain events.
     
  18. ElJay

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    The editing is quite poor. They need to stop trying to manufacture excessive dramatics and just go with what's (fairly) real. The disjointed editing makes it unbelievable.

    What was with that stupid "Mixing Bowl" race? Ramsay should be embarrassed. It looks like they had a banner printed, then rounded up some kids from a playground and marched down a street.
     
  19. newsposter

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    why carry signs thru the entire place when you can sneak them out the backdoor? And the yelling...was that really loud enough to have the people hear? Seemed so but could be the editing, i just dont trust fox

    someone yells at my wife like that..or in my restaurant..bye bye
     
  20. ironchef

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    I'm getting tired of the "stretch 20 minutes of material into an hour show by replaying every scene 5 times" editing style. The obviously out of order shots (hair, clothing continuity) really degrade the believability of the show.

    What's with the wife being so passively negative, she had no real belief in the whole thing.
     

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