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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jfh3, Jun 11, 2006.
Thanks, TivoPony! It is much appreciated.
Why is it that every time a new version comes up, it seems like everyone wants to ride the Pony?!?
A Feature request for the next update of KidZone. When you create a season pass or recording, and you choose to allow it in KidZone, perhaps another screen could come up that says:
Show in KidZone and Now Playing
Show in KidZone only
That way it keeps my Now Playing list a little clean. At this point, I am using the E/I Guide and then a few shows with season passes like "The Wonder Pets" and "The Wiggles" among others. This just fills my Now Playing list with kid shows and for me its annoying. I can understand if others might like this but not me, unfortunately. Another option might be that anything that is allowed in KidZone might show up in a "KidZone Shows" folder in the NowPlaying list, so that anything selected as Allowed to be in KidZone would be in its own separate folder.
Just a suggestion. Thanks for taking it into consideration.
You know, I like Bob, he's a great guy and I've chatted with him many times... but I don't like him that way. ;-_)
(Man, I wish I was going to TC-Con. I was really hoping to this year, but life... pfeh.)
I like the idea of "Show in KidZone only"
I think my problem is that TiVo KidZone is apparently being designed for "young children". I think TiVo is making a mistake by not adding some flexibility for parents with older children (tweens and young teens). While TiVo's "Parental Controls" do a pretty good job, there are things that could improve it...most of those things were used for KidZone for example being able to flag a show as OK for the kids even if it conflicts with the restrictions you have setup such as a blocking a show that has no rating. Giving the kids their own "Now Playing" screen is also another great feature of KZ.
I've probably asked in (so many words) about 4 times in this thread of why blocking the large banner is such a great idea and I've yet to read it.
The people at TiVo that designed the "Parental Controls" had the wisdom to require the passcode to make changes to the the PC settings even when PC have been disabled. In a perfect world the PC's will always be enabled by the parent when the parent is done with the TiVo. But because that's just not always going to happen they put in that extra protection...exactly the same reason they setup PC to enable itself after 4 hours of inactivity. They borrowed the 4 hour thing for KZ and it just doesn't make any sense that the other was not also incorporated.
Your answer relies on the "perfect word" scenario and that the parents will never forget or become distracted and accidently leave the TiVo in "parent mode"...hmm..then why bother with the 4 hour fallback safety then?
I just can't see why leaving the settings unprotected in "parents mode" was by choice. Are parents really going to be bothered by the extra layer of protection or are they going to be happy that it is there? I think the latter....otherwise they wouldn't be using the KZ feature in the first place.
there is flexibility for older kids. You can add shows from now playing and setup season passes and add those to the KidZone side as well. So the content range age may stop and 12 and under but you can change the specific ratings if need be or just add the shows in.
I plan on setting the downstairs TiVo to allow all range of content and anything in my now playing list. Then when my wifes parents are over to watch the kids I will turn on kid zone and let them have at it with no worries fro them or me,
I can see wanting a password on the settings when not in Kid zone though. Savvy teens would sneak in there given the chance and change the settings for something they want. It probably was because of some deal with keeping both parental controls and KidZone on the TiVo - maube the password module could not get chnaged to allow two different settings - one for Parental and one for Kid Zone. Probably working on that for the next release.
as for having different zones on the same TiVo - what a mess to keep straight what is in what now playing list and how do you password it so each is roped off and then which is the default one , etc... It just does not fit a simple interface design like TiVo strives for to have multiple zones. Maybe you need multiple TiVos
Once we all get our RFID chips implanted, the TiVo 4 can have the RFID reader installed in the TiVo itself and in the remote. You can then setup a PIN for each RFID, so the PIN will match the person that is holding the remote. At that point, I think it would be nice to have a custom Now Playing for each person and TiVo will only play certain show, allow certain channels, or show full show descriptions if the right RFIDs are in the room so kids never read the descriptions of Jerry Springer reruns.
Of course, my cat also has her RFID tag implanted in her neck. It would be nice if the developers could program TiVo to see if anyone else besides the cat is in the room and give me the option of recording and playing back shows about birds from the nature channels only during daylight hours when no one is asleep when no once else is in the room. Particulary the dog. If TiVo saw his RFID along with the cat's RFID, it should not play the show because the cat attacking the TV really freaks out the dog.
maybe it could play Tom and Jerry cartoons when both tags are the only ones present
Don't trust the in-law's judgement?
If the kids still need to have their viewing restricted when they are in their teens then the parent's have failed and TV viewing will soon be the least of their problems...
I don't think that was his point...
KidZone allows for his in-law's to not have to monitor what the kids watch, because the parent, namely Zeo in this case, has set up his TiVo with KZ to control that for them... having nothing to do with trusting their judgment, but instead allowing them to have one less thing to be worried about while watching the kids... definitely an added benefit...
Plus it means that Grandpa can't spend the entire visit sitting on the couch watching sports!
Just heads up that when I go the kidzone update (7.3.x) my stop button quit too.
Please keep us informed.
Not only nice, but important. it seems to me that (prob for technical reasons) they have this and network sharing with another rooms reversed---
what you really want is a reference (alias) to another program in another room instead of a real time copy--
and an actual copy or move to another folder (kidzone) instead of having every program in both lists. Not only would that reduce the clutter in your NPL, but avoid the problem of starting to watch a kids program in NPL instead of KZ 'cause you happened to be there.
I just noticed the other day that I have the same thing. When in KZ and using the channel up/down to change channels I get 4 channels that are not even selected as channels I receive let alone channels that I gave the OK to KZ to use. In fact that's not even possible since the KZ channel filter only displays the channels that I have preselected as channels that we receive.
One thing I noticed the 4 channels have in common as they are kid friendly channels. HBO Family Pacific, Toon Disney Spanish, Boomerang, and Boomerang Spanish. That also seems to connect to the channels GoAWest is reporting which are also kid friendly (Nick and Disney).
It's almost like KZ has a list of default "kid approved" channels and as long as it see's they are listed in our guide data it is adding them even if we don't have them selected as channels we receive.
OK...I figured out how to fix this. What I had to do was go into the TiVo settings and add the channels that were showing up using the up/down channel button in KZ that were channels I don't get. After adding those channels go to the TiVo KZ settings channels and you will see those channels listed and marked as KZ approved. Unmark them, then go back to the TiVo settings and remove those channels from the list of channels you receive. Now the up/down channel button should skip those channels that you don't receive.
It looks like KZ by default is flagging a list of pre-approved family friendly channels even if you don't have those channels listed as channels you receive. As long as KZ sees those channels in your guide data it flags them as available to KZ.
actually it just meant that Grandpa and Grandma are not into new tech. They just got a DVD player this year. I can tell them to use the TiVo knowing they will not go off on some other menu and get confused or do soemthing accidental.
if grandpa is watching my kids - he can watch all the sports he wants and indeed does I just set the downstairs TiVo to wide open but with Kid zone keeping you in the now playing menu.
and yes, teens should get what they can not watch and consequences for it - I meant savvy pre-teens but typed it wrong.
PLEASE give an option to allow use of the number keys. I only allow about 15 channels, and still it's ridiculously slow to move through them with just Up and Down. My 3 year old can push the 6 key to go to Nickelodeon, but can't sit there pushing Up or Down, waiting for the cable box to change, and then doing it again and again.
I'll give up and go back to Parental Controls, but that's a problem too since I have a couple of shows I allow my kids to watch that have a prohibited rating, so under Parental Controls they have to ask me for the password to watch those shows (and then, of course, Parental Controls are off so they could watch anything). At least KidZone lets me add specific shows to KZ.
Incidentally, it seems to me that whoever decides what shows are allowed under KZ just didn't look at the shows available on certain channels: many shows for very young children on Cartoon Network, for example, with Y or G ratings, are blocked under KZ by default. As are many G-rated Disney movies.
And, unless I've missed something, the procedure for allowing shows in KZ, at least if they're not in the Now Playing list already, is torturous: search by title, select show to see if it's already allowed in KZ (why not an icon in the list?), if not then set to record an upcoming show, choose option to add to KZ, set to record, then cancel the recording. I did this for several shows which I don't mind the kids watching sometimes, via live TV, but which I don't want to record.
KZ just isn't quite ready for prime time, so to speak.
Bottom line, the parent decides what shows are allowed under KZ...
The ratings of television programs, unlike major motion pictures, are controlled by the stations, which, unfortunately, the rating on the same show can vary from station to station, market to market. Ratings of television programs are not consistent across the nation, and TiVo has no control over that, but has created KZ to give that control over to the parents, so the parent can decide what's appropriate or not.
As you noticed, KZ just builds upon and improves the old Parental Controls, allowing parents to be selective by adding/removing individual shows that may have been rated too high or low by the station, or simply shows that a parent feels is acceptable or not for their own personal family values... so, bottom line, it's the parent who decides what shows are allowed under KZ based on their own personal family views and values, while the station controls the television program ratings... many of which aren't even rated at all, and because of it, "unrated" shows are blocked by default, but can still be changed by the parent... the parent is no longer therefore limited by the station's ratings, putting the control back in the home where it belongs...
The default settings are just a place for parents to start... if TiVo included too many stations and was too liberal with default rating settings, people would be complaining about just the opposite... it's probably best to start with what most people may not object to, and then let individual families add to it from there... it's probably better for a child to miss an appropriate show, than to inadvertently view an inappropriate one... so conservative is probably best here... parents can then make it as liberal as they want...
If you chose ages 6 and under for the default ratings when you set up KZ, "G" rated television shows are blocked by default, not allowing anything above a "TV-Y"; however, movies rated with a "G" are allowed, as that's the lowest available for movies, plus movie ratings are more consistent, thanks to the MPAA; basically, it appears the lowest ratings for each were selected for 6 and under... but you can change that in the KZ settings if you feel all "G" rated shows are appropriate for your family; just keep in mind that your local station may not have the same standards as you do as to what television programs should be rated... the one thing TiVo seems to have done well is making KZ pretty flexible for individual family values...
These other things you've listed sound more like feature enhancements of what more you'd like to see it do... which is fine, but it doesn't make KZ not ready... that's the thing about TiVo and computers, they can do so much, that that's all people see sometimes... that is, what more it could do, instead of what all it already does... with that mentality, TiVo should never update, as there's always more it can do...
But perhaps the channel changing and being able to add a show to KZ without first setting it up as a recording may be nice features they'll consider adding for a future update... I, too, would vote for seeing those added someday... but I'm sure adding these and other features aren't quite as simple as some people may think... if they were, we'd probably see more TiVo features in all DVR's, instead of just the simple and basic stuff most only do now...
KZ is great now for families who want to control what their family watches... no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater because it's missing some additional features that you'd like to see added... TiVo definitely is still continuing to pioneer our TV viewing, making it more and more TV our way...
But I'll second your suggestions of these for a future update...
I agree...I've witnessed several times already my 10 year old daughter watching live TV on TiVo and realizing she is going to have to sit there and channel up/down through about 15 channels and just toss the TiVo control down and get up and say "I'm goanna watch TV upstairs". She knows she can walk upstairs, grab the cable remote and punch in 132 in half the time it will take to sit through channeling up or down.
I think some of the KZ features are great and really needed! I also think they went a little overboard by blocking the large banners and killing the keypad. Those two things can be a major inconvenience to lose and should be an option for people to turn on if they feel they need that much restriction.
There needs to be some leeway to take in account "older children" that might not need as much restriction as younger children. It's great that (like with parental controls) you can adjust that level of restriction with the MPAA ratings and TV ratings. But there doesn't seem to be that allowance for less restriction in the KZ interface. The KZ interface is set at the strictest setting and that's what everyone using it has to use.