June 1st is not the end!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by healeydave, Mar 11, 2011.

  1. May 7, 2011 #81 of 123
    drgeoff

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    If your old box has never been used it will have the original v1.5 software. I was in that situation with a second TiVo and asked on the tivoland forum where the general advice was that, if not planning to drop in a new hard disk preconfigured for the ALT-EPG, it would be a good idea to get the V2.5.5 software on the original disk. I did that yesterday - see my second post in the tivoland thread "Prepping a new old Tivo ....".

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  2. May 7, 2011 #82 of 123
    Pete77

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    Even when a Tivo is in Account Closed mode it can still dial in to the servers to check its account status but instead of doing so daily it will only do so weekly or something or also immediately if forced to do a manual connect through the menus.

    So far as I can see after June 1st people will be adding a dial prefix code through the menus that will cause the Tvo to dial up to the new replacement EPG Tivo servers if they still use the Tivo modem and those servers will consider all possible Tivo service number ranges issued for UK machines to be in Lifetime Subscription mode. Therefore whether or not Tivo has previously tried to mark down your machine as Account Closed on its database and therefore on the Tivo itself will not matter as this is not an irreversible step.

    For those connecting via a Cachecard or Turbonet card they will need to change or edit one of their existing files via Telnet or some automated program provided by the new EPG project in order to alter the IP address and/or domain name of the servers that the box needs to contact. Again if the box was in Account Closed mode it ought to be capable of being made Open again and depending on the level of sophistication of the emulation proposed by Dave and others they ought to still be able to upgrade any older Tivo software versions to the current version then in use.

    Or have I missed something?
     
  3. May 7, 2011 #83 of 123
    velocitysurfer1

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    I guess the issue could be the version of the software that is on the TiVo. If it's 2.5.5 then there shouldn't be an issue. If it's 1.5 then whilst you would get the guide data you would never get the upgrade to 2.5.5 (I assume), therefore it would be better to let the TiVo do the update prior to June 1st.
     
  4. May 7, 2011 #84 of 123
    Pete77

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    I agree that is a possible danger although it all rather depends on whether or not the new non Tivo server can spool out a software update to the boxes. In theory though there seems no reason why the new servers could not offer such a service especially if the new project intends to say upgrade everyone from the existing software version for the UK to the final version 3 software provided in the USA on S1 machines but suitably modified to provide a kernel that can also support large hard disk sizes.
     
  5. May 7, 2011 #85 of 123
    velocitysurfer1

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    Agreed.

    As we probably won't know the full capabilities of the New project until after June 1st then, it is wiser to upgrade now - I know that that is what I'd do.
     
  6. May 7, 2011 #86 of 123
    healeydave

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    Sorry, I don't know about any of the other guy's, but I just don't have the time to scour both forums for questions relating to the new project. I suggest you might be better off asking all questions relating to the AltEPG in the AltEPG forum!

    I haven't considered whether we can push a 2.5.5 update to someone with 1.5 and with the current time constraints I suspect the workload is not worth it because even if we found the time to address this possibility, I doubt there will be many units out there, they will literally be ones that someone has pulled out of a cupboard.

    A re-image of the AltEPG image is by far the simplest option.
     
  7. May 7, 2011 #87 of 123
    spitfires

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    What makes you think the "alternative epg service" is going to upgrade your software to version 3!! :eek::eek: Wishful thinking there :D

    The clue is the "epg" bit in "alternative epg service" - nothing about new functions/software/etc.!


    For those rare (possibly the ONLY one!) cases where someone is still on 1.5 then you will be better off re-imaging. As Dave intimates, it's not possible (nor worthwhile) to cater for absolutely every possible combination in the time available!

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  8. May 7, 2011 #88 of 123
    Pete77

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    I thought there was all this talk of how the new self provided Tivo service was going to be better than our existing service. I don't see how that will actually be possible without an enhanced software version.
     
  9. May 8, 2011 #89 of 123
    spitfires

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    One step at a time. The priority, as I'm sure you'll agree, is a working replacement epg for 1st June.

    Enhancements are for later. Let's manage expectations and not get everyone expecting swanky version 3 software and then being disappointed when all they end up with on 1st June is a (still) working TiVo ! ;)
     
  10. May 8, 2011 #90 of 123
    healeydave

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    The US Version 3.0 that I showed screen shots of initially when we first got the AltEPG server up and running is in fact virtually no different to our 2.5.5, apart from a different colour scheme and Phillips or Sony branding.
    There are other minor differences, but nothing significant.
    In fact it carries enough negatives that I can see no reason to use it, including NTSC based menus, and missing menus since the US had no scary connections etc.

    Small improvements are still possible with 2.5.5. For example when running through guided setup now, on the AltEPG system, you no longer have to wait for complete scan of the analog frequency range, it skips straight past it.

    We have not regionalised the channel selection, so whilst the user has a few more channels to turn off in customise channels, it does allows users to select channels out of their region.

    You can now choose a Sky SD or Sky HD lineup, controlling whether you want the flipped channels (e.g. 106 to be referenced as Sky1HD or Sky1SD).
     
  11. May 8, 2011 #91 of 123
    Trinitron

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    And your evidence for this is....?

    You are entitled to your opinions but shouldn't be quoting them as fact.
     
  12. May 8, 2011 #92 of 123
    Trinitron

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    Ignoring the wishful thinking, wouldn't that also be more than a little dodgy? It's one thing to set up an alternative to a service that is no longer provided, very different to install proprietary copyrighted software on equipment that is not authorised to use it. TiVo, Inc. may be pulling the plug on the UK service but they still own the code, which is very much active on US boxes.
     
  13. May 10, 2011 #93 of 123
    Steve_K

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    We've been round this before. The way the contract defined that service then they will continue to be providing it after June 1st, just arbitrarily not for S1 users. And that is TiVo reneging on a contract made with full knowledge of the unfair terms and conditions regs. And those regs throw that 30 day change clause well out of the window.

    The issue isn't whether TiVo are acting badly but the impracticality of bringing them to book.
     
  14. May 11, 2011 #94 of 123
    khadland

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    Anyone know what the deal is with http://www.altepg.com/? It seems to suggest that you need to register & provide a service number for the AltEPG, but I thought it was going to be a free service for anything that managed to connect to it so service numbers etc were history.
     
  15. May 11, 2011 #95 of 123
    spitfires

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    Please can you tell me which statute it is that deems the 30 day termination clause unfair? And why?

    If what you say is correct then it has wide-reaching implications for *all* service contracts made between businesses and consumers :eek: and is something I would like to research further.
     
  16. May 11, 2011 #96 of 123
    steveroe

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    At the moment it's taking registrations for Alpha testing of the replacement service.

    I don't know if you will need to be registered in advance to use the full service when it launches.

    The best place for questions about AltEPG is on tivoland.com/forum
     
  17. May 11, 2011 #97 of 123
    Steve_K

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    Try the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. However this link is the key OFT guidance.

    eg
     
  18. May 11, 2011 #98 of 123
    spitfires

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    Thanks for that - I'll have a read. Not sure how that will work against the fact that we agreed to bound by US California law though.



    Edit:
    An interesting read, however I can't see anything in there which would make the 30 day termination clause unfair. Quite the opposite actually since the agreement states that TiVo can cancel at 30 days notice but that the consumer can cancel with zero notice!

    Perhaps you are talking about the "Changes to your TiVo Service" clause? I'm not - I'm talking about TiVo's right to cancel the service in toto with 30 days notice. Seems fair to me.
     
  19. May 11, 2011 #99 of 123
    Trinitron

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    A restrictive choice of jurisdiction is expressly prohibited by EU legislation - people should be given the ability to sue in their local courts. Although given that California has some of the most consumer-friendly legislation of any US state it is arguable whether that is a good thing! Maybe those wanting to sue should find a willing 'no win no fee' lawyer in the Santa Clara area?

    As I said in the other thread, does this legislation work both ways? Is it unreasonable for a company to offer a 'lifetime' service, thus making the obligation on their part unworkable?
     
  20. Steve_K

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    But the service is defined as provision of programme data which they are continuing to supply. They forgot to define the service as provision to S1 machines. Silly Billies

    Presumably you'd have thought it fair for TiVo to cancel the service in January 2001.
     

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