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Jeopardy: Just Noticed This

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by waynomo, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. Regina

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    Perhaps, but should one not be clear in one's answer?

    P.S. The players tonight must not watch MSNBC...they have Mark Warner and Elizabeth Warren on all the time!
     
  2. BrettStah

    BrettStah Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I think the rules probably refer to making sure there's no possible confusion. The way this clue was worded, however, makes it clear that Pliny the Elder couldn't be the correct response, since he is referred to in the clue itself.
     
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  3. Regina

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    ..if you knew the answer (which I didn't) ;)
     
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  4. astrohip

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    I blanked on this one. Said Cicero for lack of a better answer, even though I knew he was 100 years before.
     
  5. pdhenry

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    Maybe the key question, given the phrasing of the clue, is how likely one would be to give the answer, "Who was Pliny the Elder?"
     
  6. Regina

    Regina I've got Jewbs!

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    We've talked it to death. I surrender! :D:D:D
     
  7. stellie93

    stellie93 Well-Known Member

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    Did anyone see the actor from Young Sheldon on last night's jeopardy? He really looks different when he smiles a lot. Cute kid. Alec is worried about being replaced. :D
     
  8. pdhenry

    pdhenry Rock or Something

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    He irritates me regardless. :oops:
     
  9. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    Cute kid. Doing a great job on Young Sheldon, and I thought he did a good job on Jeopardy. And I usually don't like "guest announcers" or whatever they call them.
     
  10. mattack

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    Sorry, it was probably discussed upthread, but I'm finally into my December recordings.. (I thought I was going to catch up over the break, ohwell).

    One time (..at band camp..), at the start of FJ, the champion had EXACTLY twice the score of the TWO other players.. i.e. they were TIED with 1/2 of the champion's score. But the champion still bet $1, so she could have LOST, when she should have bet $0 to guarantee she'd go onto the next day.. (She did win..)

    Stupid betting.
     
  11. ehusen

    ehusen Geek not Nerd

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    I believe they changed the rules so that if 2 people tie after FJ, they have a "sudden death" challenge question and whoever buzzes in first with the right answer wins. So she was trying to lock in a sole victory.

    I saw this happen on a previous show where the guy bet the 1$ and actually lost. I too thought he was stupid until I found out about the new rule.
     
  12. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

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    If that's true (can someone confirm?), the bet $0 case is still better, since you have ONE more chance of still getting to the next day.. whereas if you bet $1 and lose, and the competitor(s) get it right, they win, and you don't go to the next day.

    I can't quite put it into a chart, but it seems to me like it raises your potential of getting to the next day by a lot, even if you have to answer another question.
     
  13. MauriAnne

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    From Four Rare Jeopardy! Scenarios | J!Buzz | Jeopardy.com

    1. Tie Breakers

    There can only be one winner. This has long been the case in tournament play and was recently adapted into regular game play. A tie at the end of Final Jeopardy! sends the game into a tie-breaker clue.

    If there are two or three players tied for first place after each contestant unveils their Final Jeopardy! response, Alex will present one more category and read the clue. The clue has no dollar value and does not increase the player’s winnings. The first contestant to buzz in and respond correctly is declared the winner. Should all participating contestants fail to provide a correct response, this process is repeated until one contestant responds correctly
     
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  14. ehusen

    ehusen Geek not Nerd

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    I see your point but, I think, from a straight probability table it is actually the same. If you bet 1$ you win 75% of the time. If you don't bet the 1$ you will still win 75% of the time.

    1 = Player who has double the score
    2 = Player who has half the score of player one
    R= right answer, W= wrong answer

    So if he bets a dollar he wins 75% of the time...
    1R-2R, 1W-2W, 1R-2W are wins and only 1W-2R is a loss

    If he bets zero dollars and player 2 does the assumed max
    First Round he wins 50%, when player 2 answers wrong, otherwise you go to sudden death where he has a straight 50% chance to win. So I think that comes up with again a 75% chance to win.

    But really the human factors of reaction time and confidence in the category come into play when you are bidding. Do you try to guarantee a win right away or play conservative and hope your opponent doesn't get it right?
     
  15. pdhenry

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    FJ answers aren't really 50/50 propositions though. I'm sure there's data on actual probability of a player answering FJ correctly but I'd assume it's on the order of 66%.
     
  16. TonyD79

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    You would have to add a confidence factor into the calculation also. When you wager, you know the topic. It may be something in your wheelhouse. (Although often I have gotten the final Jeopardy question correct in a topic I know very little of because the answer is the one item everyone knows.)
     
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  17. ehusen

    ehusen Geek not Nerd

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    Agreed but I was just looking at it from a straight probability view without factoring in personal data. Yes, statistically it may be that contestants answer FJ correctly more than 50% but that doesn't necessarily map to a specific human or instance.

    Personally I think it makes more sense to "bet on yourself to win" vs. "bet on someone else to lose".
     
  18. pdhenry

    pdhenry Rock or Something

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    There are four possible outcomes, three of which are won by betting $1. Where we drifted apart was when you mentioned "75% of the time."
     
  19. Worf

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    Exactly. Do you risk the sudden death question, which you don't know the subject of, or do you take the confidence in the known? Going into FJ you know the topic, and you can bet $1 or $0 depending on how confident you are on that topic. If you're confident, bet the $1 and avoid the sudden death which may be on a topic you're weak on.

    Unless you're weak on the FJ topic, triggering a sudden death with an unknown tpoic is almost always worse. It's also based on buttonwork, too - remember half of Jeopardy strategy is knowing when to push the button.
     
  20. Unbeliever

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    "Behind the Scenes" in the control room at the Jeopardy! studio.



    --Carlos V.
     
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