Jay Leno is killing NBC

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  1. ElJay

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    So in other words, Conan was performing on par with just about everything else at NBC.
     
  2. Jesda

    Jesda CAPTAIN AWESOME

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    All losses from Leno and Conan are made up for by Chris Hansen.
     
  3. ElJay

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    Where did I say "The Tonight Show?" I said 11:35pm was going to be Leno's. Did he take back "The Tonight Show" before Conan bowed out? Of course not, but he did take back 11:35. No matter the name of the show, it involved Conan following Jay again, in addition to being unfair to Fallon in the process by bumping him back to about 1:07am. Conan saw both "The Tonight Show" plus the "Late Night" franchise he built up for a decade and a half being weakened by Leno butting in at 11:35.
     
  4. JYoung

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    Sounds to me like they wouldn't have watch O'Brien anyways.
     
  5. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    If Leno had left he probably would have gone to another network and possibly would have gone head to head with Conan and Dave and it would have worse for Conan. He was not going to quit and go wash his cars.
     
  6. Mr. Belboz

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    No doubt.

    I think NBC should have just let Conan go 5 years ago if he didn't want to stay at 12:35. But they got greedy.

    Conan got his shot, but with the setup NBC gave him, he was destined to fail.

    But hey for three weeks or so he was ahead of Letterman. Remember after a week or so NBC proclaimed him the late night king!

    Leno definitely had an easier transition than Conan. People were already watching Leno on the Tonight show for awhile as a guest host. So it wasn't a big leap when Carson left.


     
  7. MikeAndrews

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    Oprah nailed Jay with a few questions:

    Jay - "I have 175 people working here...."
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    "Did you consider negotiating a buyout with NBC that would have gotten your staff 90 days of pay like Conan did?"
    Jay - "No."

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    "Did you ever consider that your 10 PM show was costing the jobs of a lot of people who could have worked on shows scheduled in that time slot?"

    Jay - "That only came up after I had the show."



    Mr. Everyman.


    Who will Jay blame when his comeback Tonight Show ratings are never, "#1" "#1" "#1?"

    You watch. Dave will retire in a few years and Jay will be #4 behind The Late Show with Craig Ferguson, The Conan O'Brien Show, and syndicated Family Guy reruns.
     
  8. MikeAndrews

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    Dave beat Leno every night until Leno had Hugh Grant and "What were you thinking?" and Dave didn't have the clearance with CBS affliates carry him at the time.
     
  9. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    It's possible that Leno could have refused NBC's offer to move to 11:35 and then NBC would have had to negotiate some kind of buyout with Leno. But I'm sure that never entered Leno's mind, because NBC offered him something that to him is better than $1 billion. They offered him back his dream job.
    But the way you're trying to paint his comments is completely out of context. You're trying to claim that Leno told a lie, or stated something inaccurately, when he said that NBC didn't offer it to him until after Conan had alread rejected it. He wasn't talking about 11:35, he was talking about The Tonight Show, so there was nothing inaccurate about what he said.
     
  10. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

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    I think Conan got the shaft but lets face it Leno wasn't going to come out of this looking like the good guy which is a bit unfair. NBC is the bad guy in this whole ordeal and some big wig should get fired over this fiasco.
     
  11. ElJay

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    I thought Leno was talking about 11:35 at that point, and I guess I'm not going to go back and rewatch the interview to clarify what "it" is. NBC came and said you're doing a show at 11:35 and we think Conan will be OK with the move to 12:05. Leno said OK. Conan said goodbye. There was never a question that Conan's 12:05 show was going to be something other than "The Tonight Show," so I don't know where the confusion comes from.
     
  12. aindik

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    To be fair, there might have been a higher than normal tune in factor that night because it was Conan's last night and people might have thought Jay was going to be on. He was still in the TiVo guide data as the Dateline show was airing.
     
  13. zalusky

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    I swear I feel like I am on a stock message board where people say things hoping its going to affect the stock price and sell short.

    The bottom line is we will see who wins come fall.
    The second bottom line is people did not show up for Conan. You make all the excuses you want about lead in and people watching Jay instead but those are bogus excuses. If they liked Conan they should have showed up. Just like the lady on Oprah that was on Conan's side but she did not watch the show.

    It's not going to get easier. There are more distractions. The 18-34 is shrinking away from traditional late night.

    I myself have no allegiance. I watch whatever 10PM show, I always flip to ABC news and then check the guests on all the shows and make my decision. There has never been a lead in issue. Leno was doing fine when 10PM was owned by CBS. The only real issue is the affiliates want to get their new teasers in.

    I also think a psychological reason for a lot of this is people are tired of hearing about somebody getting fired. Given the economy of the last two years and are sticking up for Conan on that basis.
     
  14. morac

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    It would be even more ironic if the show was picked up for 10pm.
     
  16. tivoboyjr

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    I will admit that I'm not a Jay fan, and I do like Conan (thought I still prefer Dave) but I never really watched Conan on the Tonight Show until his last week.

    The reason I didn't watch had more to do with Jay than Conan, though. I assumed that Conan wouldn't be able to do the edgy, funny show he'd done in late night and he would be forced to do a watered-down version to appeal to Jay's viewers. From what I saw of Conan's Tonight Show, that was pretty much the case. I did watch Conan's final week and that seemed more like the old Conan.

    If Conan goes to Fox or wherever he ends up and can do his kind of show, I think he'll be fine and could very well beat both Jay and Dave in the ratings. This whole thing worked to Conan's advantage and Jay has definitely taken a hit. (And I realize Dave's show is very watered-down from what it used to be, but I still prefer it to the other stuff.)
     
  17. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Given the subject matter of the show, I'd say that if it does get picked up, 10 pm is very likely.
     
  18. marksman

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    Tivoboyjr makes a good point. Ramping up to Conan going to the Tonight Show there was extensive talk about how he was going to have to tone down the show to be friendly for the earlier timeslot. I think this turned some people off, as they did not expect to get the same show they got before with Conan.

    So some of the audience may have been predisposed to just not care. I watched the first week of the show, so I don't think I saw enough of it to make a judgment on whether or not it was less edgier than the old show, but that could have been part of the problem.

    This almost strikes me like the sitcom actor who leaves the series early to go make movies. Why not just ride it out? Conan could have established a massive legacy at 12:30 and made a ton of money. I know people want to advance and move up, but when you are sitting on a gold mine, sometimes it is good enough to just sit on that gold mine until someone tells you to move. Not to go out and look for a bigger gold mine to sit on.

    I think Conan will end up somewhere else, obviously.
     
  19. tivoboyjr

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    NBC unwittingly created a situation where both Jay and Conan would fail. If nothing had changed, they'd both still be thriving in their time slots. If Conan had left, at least Jay would still be doing well. Now NBC is left with Jay Damaged-Goods Leno and a lot of bad feelings from viewers, affiliates, etc.
     
  20. IJustLikeTivo

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    People have short memories. Once jay is back, all will be forgiven. Look at all the hollywood scumbags who are now making movies and no one even remembers what they did.
     

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