Jay Leno is killing NBC

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  1. tivoboyjr

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    I just read an article about the Oprah interview and didn't see the interview, but from what I've read, Jay neglected to mention that part of the reason Conan's ratings were low was because Jay's crappy show was turning people away from NBC in droves.
     
  2. ElJay

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    She doesn't get it either. Oprah said, "If everybody who supported Conan watched his show, this would not be an issue." The "issue" was caused by Leno's bad ratings which gave no lead-in to the news which caused the affiliate revolt. NBC wasn't letting go of Leno no matter what, so I have no clue where else she thinks Leno would have gone to after the 10pm show was canceled. Conan was getting bumped no matter what.
     
  3. marksman

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    Jesus christ. People need to stop blaming Jay for what happened to Conan.

    It was neither his fault nor his responsibility.

    Jay should have never went on Oprah to try and defend himself. He didn't have to defend himself. As someone noted earlier this week, Leno's audience probably doesn't care about any of this and most of them will watch him again.

    People chanting for Conan didn't watch Jay anyways, so who cares?

    Far be it from Jay by the way to point out he has been number 1 in the ratings for years and years and years and made the network more money then Johnny Carson ever did. Far be it that be a consideration before running him out just because Conan wanted a shot.

    I like Conan and I don't blame him for asking for the Tonight show, but NBC simply should have told him, "At this time Jay's ratings and performance are stellar, so there is no clear cut future where you would be guaranteed the Tonight Show. Perhaps things will change in a year or five years and we can re-evaluate then. In the meantime we love the job you are doing at 12:30 so keep up the good work."

    If Conan would have left, then so be it. You can't blame Jay for Conan's ratings on the Tonight Show. Lead-ins are of secondary importance the further you get away. On top of that, Conan had a good period of time before Jay showed up and his ratings were still below par.

    For the umpteenth time, both Jay and Conan reasonably tried to do what they felt was best for them and their individual careers and NBC perpetually effed it up.
     
  4. IJustLikeTivo

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    Sorry, this is just crap. She's right and you're wrong. Everyone swears they love Conan, he can do no wrong, he can whip Chuck Norris with one hand behind his back. The fact is people didn't watch. Conan fans hate hate hate Leno, so he's not the issue. Conan fans didn't fail to watch due to Leno, they just failed to watch. Just like when you ask today who voted for kennedy in 60 the numbers come up over 75% but then it was a dead heat. People are lying. They didn't watch so Conan's ratings were crappy. Regardless of what Jay did, if Conan had the ratings, this would be over. But. He didn't.
     
  5. stalemate

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    I don't think ElJay was blaming Jay for Conan's ratings, I think he was blaming Jay for the affiliates losing viewers for their local news.
     
  6. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Explain to me why Lenos ratings affected the Tonight show. For years when Leno hosted the Tonight show Leno was #1 and the 10PM ratings for NBC were in the toilet.

    Why didn't Leno's ratings shrink and Lettermans ratings as CBS 10PM ratings rise.

    I don't think there is a strong connection for the tonight show. I think its a destination show.

    The affiliates probably suffered because nobody was watching their teaser since Leno's show was profitable but the ratings were less than the scripted dramas.

    If Leno had left, I believe Conan would still have been out sooner than later if he did not get the ratings up. Especially given he probably would have had Leno in addition to Letterman as competition.
     
  7. JYoung

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    A lot of people don't seem to remember that O'Brien's Tonight Show ratings were poor before Leno's 10 PM debuted.
     
  8. nataylor

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    Yeah. They gave him 67 shows to build an audience. They only gave Jay Leno about 600 to beat Letterman in the ratings.
     
  9. JYoung

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    A lot of people seem to forget that Leno still had somewhat respectable ratings in those 600 shows, didn't bleed 40-50% of Carson's audience, and was still making NBC money.

    O'Brien was on track to loose NBC money.

    And how many episodes of Trauma aired before NBC canceled it?
     
  10. dswallow

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    Damn that loose money; people should buy a screwdriver and tighten it up.

    And how many more episodes aired before NBC uncanceled it and ordered 3 more episodes.

    And then after that how many more episodes aired before NBC upped the order again to bring it to a total season order of 20 episodes?

    :)
     
  11. Mr. Belboz

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    How would Leno have done if Carson moved to 10pm?

    I think the biggest thing done to Conan (and it was NBC's doing) was they put Leno on a show at 10pm.

    I think there was a large fan base of Leno's that didn't care for him vacating the tonight show. I think many of them watched his 10pm show and just didn't watch Conan or anyone at 11:35pm. Some might have watched Leno at 10pm and Letterman or Nightline, or whatever after the news.

    I believe that if Conan would have been the only option on NBC (no Leno 10pm show) he would have had better ratings. I don't think it would have been enough to get the late night lead, but I think his ratings would have been much better. Over time maybe he would have even been the late night leader.

    I prefer Conan myself, but I think NBC should have let him walk 5 years ago. But if your going to go with Conan, commit to him fully. Which they didn't do. NBC got greedy and Conan paid the price for it.

    Just my opinion.
     
  12. marksman

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    Flip that around and coming from the same Late Night show, how many shows did CBS have to give David Letterman before he beat Leno?
     
  13. smak

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    This was a whole different kind of toilet.

    Cable shows beat Jay at 10pm. Wrestling beats Jay. Pawn Stars beat Jay. Teen Mom beats Jay!!

    A Dateline REPEAT last Friday beat the last 14 weeks of Leno on Friday.

    It's not just the lead-in, it's the fact that it's a very similar show as well.

    -smak-
     
  14. JYoung

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    But how do you explain O'Brien's poor ratings from May through August of 2009, before Leno's 10 PM show aired?

    I actually agree with this.
    But imagine how bad things would have been had O'Brien's ratings not grown.
     
  15. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Jyoung,

    You've said in the past (giving credit where it was due) that Jay Leno is the Olive Garden of comedians.

    I think that was an excellent point and I agree.

    That's all.
     
  16. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    That's not what he said. He said that they didn't offer The Tonight Show, and he didn't accept The Tonight Show until Conan had rejected it. The previous plan with 11:35 and 12:05 didn't involve Jay taking back The Tonight Show. It's a subtle distinction, but it's a big difference, and that's why what he says is accurate.
     
  17. bicker

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    It's broader than that: People need to stop defaulting to blaming others when something happens that they don't like.
     
  18. Mr. Belboz

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    Upset Leno fans who didn't want to turn to Conan, and they knew Leno was coming back at 10pm.

    I think if Carson had a 10pm show when he left the tonight show, I think Leno suffers in ratings also.

     
  19. pjenkins

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    His Oprah performance was pathetic. What a sad, sad little man.
     
  20. TiVo'Brien

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    What was it Jay said near the end - that he could have taken the 1 or 2 year buyout, but didn't?
     

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