Jay Leno is killing NBC

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  1. Oct 9, 2009 #41 of 2005
    wmcbrine

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    Sure, there's a logic to it: let Leno fail at NBC, then no one else will want to pick him up.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2009 #42 of 2005
    DevdogAZ

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    So you're saying that it's logical to do major damage to their own network and their affiliates in an effort to prevent the other networks from gaining an advantage? Isn't that cutting off their nose to spite their face?
     
  3. Oct 9, 2009 #43 of 2005
    Wil

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    Valid point. But the mix includes that NBC had no longer the expertise to develop or choose 10 pm programming with any hugely better prospect of success. So it wasn't selecting between silk purse and sow's ear, it was between two sows' ears. One a lot cheaper. Then the other factors like Leno's late night competition (plus preserving Leno in relief should Conan fall completely off the charts) weigh is and the decision makes some sense. Not saying a good decision, just an understandable one given NBC's creative/management lack of resources.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2009 #44 of 2005
    jimborst

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    I think Fox may really want him, even if he does fail at NBC. My Fox station has the news at 9 (Central time) then two office repeats, then a Seinfeld, and at 11 they have Star Trek TNG. If they were to put Leno on at 9:30 after the local news, I'm sure it would be a big ratings improvment over all the repeats.

    Since he's not been mentioned here, is Kimmel getting any ratings? I know Letterman has been beating Conan but I haven't heard if Kimmel has been picking up some of the people that Conan has lost.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2009 #45 of 2005
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    I'd like to know who these ppl are (very lazy, perhaps?). Even tho I use my DVR every single day, I always know what network that my Prime Time shows air on. Even with shows I have no interest in, I know what channel they are on.

    There are some shows I always watch "live", so a season pass does me no good in that situation.

    With Leno and NBC, they made their bed. Now they have to sleep in it. And let's not forget, when Sunday football is over, NBC has 3 hours to fill. What garbage do they plan on giving us then?
     
  6. Oct 9, 2009 #46 of 2005
    retrodog

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    At the gun...
    Yes. It makes no sense to get rid of Leno. It's not really his fault that the new show is failing. It was just a stupid idea to move him up in that time slot with essentially the same material as his Tonight Show antics.

    I've never been a Leno fan (always more of a Letterman fan till last year), and I'm not going to become one now, but I can't believe that Conan is a better late night host, although I've always been an Andy Richter fan. Conan is weird, creepy, and bizarre. NBC must be operated by idiots.
     
  7. Oct 9, 2009 #47 of 2005
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    Point taken.

    NBC is hastening their demise by thrashing about.

    (I really don't expect NBC to completely go belly up, but they are facing hard times and it's entirely their own doing.)
     
  8. Oct 9, 2009 #48 of 2005
    5thcrewman

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    Maybe NBC is angling for a government bail-out.
     
  9. Oct 9, 2009 #49 of 2005
    WhiskeyTango

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    That's exactly what they did though. NBC didn't want Leno to go elsewhere to they signed him. The execs there said they would wait to judge his show on a full year, when he will go up against repeats as well. They also blamed the lead-ins as being the reason Leno is getting bad ratings.

    I am one of those people and it has nothing to do with being lazy. Why should I bother remembering what channel a show is on when there is no point in knowing since I don't have to manually 'tune in'?
     
  10. Oct 9, 2009 #50 of 2005
    smak

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    The problem with Leno vs the 10pm dramas, is that the dramas build up to a big ending, where Leno starts off with his best stuff. Or I mean "best stuff"

    10pm was mainly law & cop shows, and to see what happens in a Law & Order you have to watch the last few minutes.

    Then when the credits roll, your local newscaster pops up and talks about the big story, and you are likely to stay if it's interesting.

    This gets enough people to stay with the channel to make a difference.

    Now with Leno, who cares, it's just another bit, or somebody you con't care about leading directly into news.

    -smak-
     
  11. Oct 9, 2009 #51 of 2005
    IndyJones1023

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    Long ago when Leno took over I thought "he sucks, I ain't watching."

    Now that this whole 10pm thing started up I tuned in to check it out. It indeed still sucked.

    But wow. That dude has a freakish "carnival side show" face. I know he's been made fun of for his chin. But seriously - wow. It's incredibly huge!
     
  12. Oct 10, 2009 #52 of 2005
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    I think the theory at the network is that Leno will lose during new shows, but win during reruns. Since most shows are 20-22 weeks anymore - that could be 30 weeks of win at a much lower cost.

    If an hour of network TV is 5 million more than Jay (ER was what 12 million?), 20 weeks of 5 nights a week is 100 shows. That is 500 million savings by going with Jay - and you may win the other 30 weeks a year.

    I still think Jay is a trainwreck (like everyone else).
     
  13. Oct 10, 2009 #53 of 2005
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    How do you think it is when he's 4 feet in front of me :)

    -smak-
     
  14. Oct 10, 2009 #54 of 2005
    smak

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    I'm not sure he's going to be on in the summer? Have they said anything?

    That is true, he'd clean up in the summer.

    -smak-
     
  15. Oct 10, 2009 #55 of 2005
    Neenahboy

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    I recall reading (might've been in EW) that Kimmel's was the only late night show that has seen gains this season.

    Also, aren't the Fox affiliate news broadcasts usually an hour long?
     
  16. Oct 10, 2009 #56 of 2005
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    Leno will have new episodes 46 weeks per year.


    I said something similar in another thread this morning: These exhortations by viewers are self-centered and myopic. You'll never understand reality that way. Is this bad for viewers? Yup, sure is. Is this bad for NBC? Probably not. And even if is badness here for NBC, there is no reason to believe that doing what some viewers in these threads want to be done would actually be better for NBC. All I see people suggesting are things that would cost more money, without any reasonable expectation that they would garner enough additional revenue to cover the additional cost that these viewers would have incurred on their behalf. Sounds more like folks are looking for a sugar daddy, rather than looking for broadcast programming.
     
  17. Oct 10, 2009 #57 of 2005
    IndyJones1023

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    I take it you attended a taping?
     
  18. Oct 10, 2009 #58 of 2005
    jimborst

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    Here, Sioux City, IA the Fox station (which is co-owned with the CBS) the news comes on at 9pm for 30 min. The Fox and CBS stations use the same weather person for all late newscasts, also I'm sure they share stories.
     
  19. Oct 10, 2009 #59 of 2005
    DevdogAZ

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    The news comes on a hour earlier on all Fox affiliates. 10 pm on the coasts and 9 pm in Central and Mountain. It has nothing to do with the fact that your Fox affiliate and your CBS affiliate have joint ownership.
     
  20. Oct 10, 2009 #60 of 2005
    jimborst

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    Understood, just had a rambling kind of post. Sorry, my point that I didn't even make, was that between the two stations the may need the half hour to update everything so they can do another news show in 30 minutes.

    Sorry , sometimes I should read my posts before I post them.:D
     

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