Jay Leno is killing NBC

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  1. Oct 9, 2009 #21 of 2005
    zalusky

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    There are hundreds of freaking channels out there now. Go watch another channel. Go get Netflix. Were you guys an NBC household or something? Do you think NBC would have put on anything decent if they did not do this. They have been in the crapper for years with no money. Perhaps the extra profit will at least let them invest in the other two hours.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2009 #22 of 2005
    YCantAngieRead

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    Good.
     
  3. Oct 9, 2009 #23 of 2005
    cheesesteak

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    Who the heck watches what ever news program comes on next? I've never understood that logic. If I've been watching the 11 pm news on channel XYZ for ten, fifteen years, I'm not going to start watching channel EFG's 11 pm news broadcast simply because my 10 pm viewing habits changed. Who is that lazy that they can't change the channel?
     
  4. Oct 9, 2009 #24 of 2005
    busyba

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    Tell that to Brett Favre. :p
     
  5. Oct 9, 2009 #25 of 2005
    MickeS

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    I think the idea is that 1) they see the "Coming up on news at 11:" promos and are supposed to want to stay and watch it, and 2) yeah, people are lazy, which is why they try and segue into the news very quickly after the previous show.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2009 #26 of 2005
    retrodog

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    Me.

    I used to watch the news on our local 13 (ABC affiliate). But most of the shows I watch now are on 11 (CBS), so it kept pulling me over to 11 all the time and I've ended up watching the local and national news on 11 instead of 13.

    It's not a matter of laziness. They get to show you all their news teasers during the 10:00 (9:00 central) shows and you just end up staying there because you want to see the crap that they lied to you about. :D
     
  7. Oct 9, 2009 #27 of 2005
    DevdogAZ

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    Who said anything about retirement? NBC forced it on Leno in an effort to placate Conan, but Leno never had any intention of retiring and I don't recall him ever saying so.
     
  8. Oct 9, 2009 #28 of 2005
    Fish Man

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    Bazinga! (Oops, wrong thread.)
     
  9. Oct 9, 2009 #29 of 2005
    Fish Man

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    I completely agree with you on this.

    Also, in this era of the TiVo/DVR, those of us who use them usually have a hard time remembering what channel/network a given program is even on. We set our season passes for the programs we like and we watch them on our own schedule.

    I even TiVo my local news broadcast, from the channel whose news I like best, and start watching it at my convenience.

    However....

    "Lead ins" are a big deal to networks and TV stations, and the Nielsen data still seems to indicate that "lead ins" still matter, especially to news.

    Apparently, (and I'm just stating what I believe to be the TV station-think on this issue, not necessarily agreeing with it) viewers see local news as rather "generic", so they'll tend to watch the news on whatever channel they were tuned to at 11:00 (10:00 central).

    Same is true of the early evening news. I know the local channels around here really battle to find strong and popular syndicated shows for late afternoon to lead into their 5:00 and/or 6:00 news broadcasts.
     
  10. Oct 9, 2009 #30 of 2005
    aindik

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    How long before NBC starts letting affiliates run their local news at 10 p.m. and run Leno afterward at 10:35, like the station in Boston wanted to do?
     
  11. Oct 9, 2009 #31 of 2005
    DevdogAZ

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    If they allow that, it will further erode Conan's ratings, and I can imagine he'd be pretty pissed about it.
     
  12. Oct 9, 2009 #32 of 2005
    aindik

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    Would it further erode them? Compared to the eroding that's happening now, I mean?
     
  13. Oct 9, 2009 #33 of 2005
    DevdogAZ

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    I think it would. Right now, you've got a certain number of people who are staying through the news and then watching Conan. You'd have to imagine that if it went News, Leno, Conan, there would be a decent percentage of current Conan viewers who wouldn't make it all the way to Conan.

    But I see what you're saying: Conan's ratings are already so low that they probably already consist only of those who are purposely tuning into his show and don't include any spillover from the news or what was on NBC earlier that night.
     
  14. Oct 9, 2009 #34 of 2005
    Langree

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    There's always the off chance NBC knew this would happen, give Jay what he wants. It fails, then bye bye Jay.
     
  15. Oct 9, 2009 #35 of 2005
    sieglinde

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    Leno kill NBC? Hmm, imagine a termanilly ill person ready to go into a coma. NBC was already dying so this is more of a symptom than what is actually killing NBC.
     
  16. Oct 9, 2009 #36 of 2005
    aindik

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    What I was saying is, for people to "stay through the news," they'd have to be watching the news. Which, according to the OP, they're already not doing.
     
  17. Oct 9, 2009 #37 of 2005
    DevdogAZ

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    That's not very likely. NBC wasn't contractually obligated to Leno. They entered into a new contract with him to prevent him from going to a competing network. I'd be shocked if the new contract doesn't require them to pay him for at least two years' worth of work, regardless of how long he's on the air, and probably allows him to pursue other opportunities if NBC chooses to terminate. So there would be no logic to NBC intentionally trying to get rid of Leno, since he'd undoubtedly get offers from ABC and/or Fox and would go there and do further damage to NBC's late-night ratings.
    Well, even though the ratings are down, it doesn't mean nobody is watching. It just means fewer are watching. And that translates into fewer people watching Conan.
     
  18. Oct 9, 2009 #38 of 2005
    aindik

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    Right. Fewer people are watching. Do you think even fewer people would watch if the shows were in reverse order, or do you think the same (lower) number of people would watch?
     
  19. Oct 9, 2009 #39 of 2005
    retrodog

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    People never actually die of old age, in that they never put that on the death certificate for COD. They usually list some organ failure. But the organ failed because of old age.

    The Leno show fiasco is just a dying organ that will cause the death of NBC, so it will be on the death certificate instead of the more general "NBC Stupidity (old age)". :D
     
  20. Oct 9, 2009 #40 of 2005
    DevdogAZ

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    I think there are a certain number of people who watch the local news on their NBC affiliate, even if that number is reduced from what it was previously. Of that number, there are a certain percentage who turn the TV off after the news, a certain percentage who change the channel, and a certain percentage who keep it on the same channel and watch what's on next.

    Of those that keep the TV on the same channel and watch the show that follows the news, there are a certain % who fall asleep before the next show is over, a certain % who turn the TV off after the next show is over, a certain % who change the channel after the next show is over, and a certain % who keep in on that channel and watch the second successive show that follows the news.

    So regardless of how low the ratings are for the local NBC newscasts, and how low the ratings are for Conan, they can always go lower, and sticking an extra show between them will undoubtedly reduce the ratings.
     

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