Separate names with a comma.
Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by ghken, Jan 14, 2008.
Eh? Nothing's come out -- people are just speculating. Based on nothing, I might add.
They had 3 on the shelf at South Bay Best Buy in Boston
Not only has nothing been announced, but if you are enjoying your TiVo, then enjoy it. Live in the moment.
In the CE biz, the only question is *when* your item is upgraded/replaced, not if.
Not everybody has the financial blessing of being able to afford both a new TiVo and a new TV with Component and HDMI. Many are buying the S3/THD units not because they have HiDef now (nor the ability to view it natively) but because they want to "future proof" their purchase.
TV manufacturers started including aux-in with their better TV's perhaps 20 years ago, but TiVo only dropped RF-out with the S3 model.
In 5-10 years this would be OK, but right now there's far too many TV's (and far too many potential TiVo owners) that would be excluded if SD outputs were no longer included.
Not true. A lot of the smaller (32 inch smaller standard def only CRT's) lack these. If they only do standard def there's little reason to include them anyway.
Yes but that can get a bit messy. When I went from HDMI to Component on my TiVo in order to free the sole HDMI input on my TV for my HD-DVD player, I was forced to split the audio as my TiVo HD also was hooked to a DVD recorder. It would have been nice to get a second set of outputs like the S3.
It would be nice to use something other than TiVo's own unit, and not have to pay their prices for propietary accessories. As far as built-in Wireless networking, that's great until the next generation wireless technology comes out, now your TiVo has become obsolete.
Be careful when buying from CompUSA. There are reports that the 20% markdowns are after they intentionally mark them up making any savings negligible. You guys obviously know what's a fair deal on the S3's but be careful when looking at other things.
I still show them available at Amazon and I just got an alert that Buy.com has them as well.
Well I don't know if they mark them up then put the 20% off on them.
I do know that some of their items even with the "MarkDowns" ARN"T any better price then you find at Best Buy or Circuit City allready.
And remember... at CompUSA... ALL SALES ARE FINAL!
The reports I read from consumerist.com said that on some products, if you peeled off the sticker with the current price, you would see that it was higher than the previous price.
I say that because the holes are already on the TiVo HD, but they are covered up with the sticker on the back.
Check out this picture.
External drive support was added for the S3 about the same time as it was for the TiVo HD, yet it doesn't require a "blessed drive." I believe TiVo did this intentionally in an attempt to add value to what they consider the higher end model.
Oh, we're speculating, but not about nothing.
I've put a call out on this forum and on Engadget for anyone who has a S3 with a manufacture date after the TiVo HD came out, no one responded yes. The TiVo HD is cheaper to produce and has obvious examples of future expansion (holes in rear panel, empty pins on the board).
My prediction is nothing more than taking a TiVo HD and adding the features of the Series3 to it. I doubt it'll really offer anything above and beyond the S3, but it will be cheaper for TiVo to produce and offer the same feature set.
So I'd say it's definitely speculation about something.
I was actually looking for a way to communicate with you after I read your article on engadget (very good by the way). If you look at post #4 on this thread, I actually quoted you about this:
It is really disappointing to hear that no one responded to you (if you notice, I was the last person to comment on that page).
For someone who hasn't pulled the trigger on a new TiVo (still using 2 DirecTiVo's), but is ready, and to see the limited supply of S3's and the rebate expiring, my decision time is NOW, or wait until Q4 for the S4 (if it actually happens as is speculated).
Ben, please keep us informed of anything you hear or if anyone does have a manufacture date after July 2007.
I thought the speculation was that those holes would be for SD in (a la recording SD like an S2).
Nope. People were adding disks to the S3 long before they were adding them to the TiVo HD. The "backdoor" method escaped into the wild and worked only on S3s. Rather than cause the hundreds of people who had done this to lose all their shows, TiVo allowed the S3 to continue to use non-authorized drives (without support). A nice gesture on their part that costs them very little in the long run since the TiVo HD and all following models will have to use the authorized drives (without much greater hacking). See point 5 in the expansion FAQ
Hey skywalk, sorry if i missed this in an earlier post but, why do you want the s3 over the thd? the transfer time?
I already have one S3 but if it fails, what bothers me is that expanding the hard drive to whatever I want on a Tivo HD is not possible, as far as I know.
When it really comes down to it, it's about the OLED. I like that it's got a bigger hard drive (that may actually be sufficient without having to add more), and the transfer time is nice, but from a UI perspective, being able to see what's on/recording is what really got me.
The big question, is it worth the money? At 279 vs 799, no way, absolutely not. At 279 vs 599, still no - but makes me think. But 279 vs 399 (599-200 MIR), I'm there.
BTW, I started a new thread to answer Ben Drawbaugh's (bdraw on the forums here) question about the manufacturer's date, so if people could go there and let me know, that would be great.
There is basis for the speculation that the S3 has ceased production. There is no basis for the speculation that it will be replaced with a new high-end model based on the THD. They could just as easily keep the existing THD as their top-tier model.
Not sure I agree, why would TiVo want to stop producing a premium product? I think they've done a good job of using features to distinguish the products. If they make it cost $100 more, it should give them more room for margin while at the same time entice owners to buy it over the THD.
Some folks in the recent poll are reporting that their S3s were manufactured in December 2007. Reports of its death might be premature.