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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jordanz, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    Hmmm. I know you probably mean the left and right pane stuff and the pip, but just for fun...
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    1. Guide option on the menu. Well, maybe we can break folks from this time shifting thing and people should go back to focusing on what is being broadcast this instant. I like horses. Let's go back to carriages.
    2. No Music Photos & More item item. No Podcasts, no OnetrueMedia, No Amazon Unbox etc etc. Well less options make the menus shorter. Besides, I suppose we'd have to connect to the internets to do those anyway.
    3. Tivo Recordings menu- No MRV item, no folder for playing Video (TivoToGoBack) off a home computer. (cf. nets?)
    4. Oh Boy. The To Do list is on the main menu. I think I have looked at that about 2 times- to check on TivoBack progress.
    5. No TivoCast on the Find Programs menu- Comcast has it all- who needs other sources of Video?
    6. No season pass manager- hey- who needs to prioritize recordings- with VCRs folks only did a few recordings. If they can't keep those straight in their heads maybe they need professional help, right?
     
  2. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    Re: Cable will have to provide boxes with cablecards after 7/1.
    Oh? I only recall CableVision getting a waiver for a few years. But for all the other majors David is correct.

    In what cases were you thinking that this is it not true?
     
  3. btwyx

    btwyx Substantive Member

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    They're not on DirecTiVos either. DirecTiVos still record programs which is basically what I have a TiVo for, the rest is just a bonus. Come to think of it, I don't get MRV or TTGB on my S3 either.
    Not at all? Not even in its usual place in Find Programs? If that's right its going to be pretty useless.
     
  4. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

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    I think Charter has a waiver as well, and I know Comcast doesn't. It may not be relevant to two-way functionality - perhaps that is what he means.

    I haven't seen TiVo software running on a Motorola CableCARD device. While I suspect what you imply is true (two way communications), I can't confirm one way or the other so I didn't address that point.

    Older boxes in people's homes don't apply, but the cable company cannot redeploy older stock they have laying around.
     
  5. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

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    What did you expect, a TiVo? :eek:

    I still haven't figured out how they download the peanut to your coffee table.
    :confused:
     
  6. HDTiVo

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    My understanding is different; that older boxes can be redeployed, but no new boxes w/o CC can be purchased by the MSO.
     
  7. davezatz

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    The key phrase in the FCC documents seems to be: "cease deploying navigation devices (e.g., set-top boxes) with integrated security"
     
  8. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    Here is Find Programs:
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    No Season Pass Manager. But who knows. It could be it was nuked from the demo's menu due to stability concerns. Mega took a lot of pictures, but he didn't do any screens for recording options on a particular show, so maybe the concept of Season Passes are there and it is just accidental that none of the screens with season pass functionality were photographed. It often happens that you don't take pictures of the obvious.

    The To Do List does show you what you aren't recording, which is nice if it was in addition to Season Passes. But is this as a replacement of auto recordings? Do you have to figure out which are first run vs repeats? Are you are meant to micromanage your recordings by showing the collisions, and allowing you to arbitrate between them.
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    If so, they would making it a lot more of a bother to use DVR functionality, and keep you oriented on live viewing- Just as DirecTv emphasized in the advertisements for their non Tivo DVRs.

    But Hey- its not all subtractive differences- After all, on the remote you get the A, B, C, & D buttons!

    Adding further clarity to the man machine interface. That's what Comcast's improvements to Tivo are all about.
     
  9. dt_dc

    dt_dc Mostly Harmless

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    The key phrase is:
    Nothing prevents them from re-deploying a box (with integrated security) that has been returned by one customer to another customer.
     
  10. bicker

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    No, it is not necessarily true. Cable companies can continue to redeploy older STBs in perpetuity. The regulation only restricts which NEW STBs they can (initially) deploy.
     
  11. bicker

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    That would be the key phrase if that phrase actually appeared. It doesn't. Instead, the regulation says, "cease deploying new navigation devices..." [Emphasis added.] See FR Doc 03-15187.
     
  12. davezatz

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    Oh, it does appear:

    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-257519A1.pdf

    for cable operators to cease deploying navigation devices (e.g., set-top boxes) with integrated security. ​

    ban on cable operator deployment of integrated set-top boxes​

    Guess the FCC misquoted themselves or they were just being brief since that doc is an update.

    So MSOs cannot deploy any NEW non-CC boxes they've purchased, but they can redeploy used hardware. Interesting... and news to me - I defer to you two who are more knowledgeable in this area. HDTiVo: I owe you a beer. :)
     
  13. bicker

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    I'm not surprised that they misquoted themselves. Regardless, the word "new" is in the regulation, and it is what the requirement provides for. This link you have provided does tend to explain why so many people out there were under the wrong impression.
     
  14. HDTiVo

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    Words often don't mean what they mean. :)

    Let's have it at the R&D labs at SlingMedia.
     
  15. Justin Thyme

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    Exactly. It would be more simple to admit that you were quite simply wrong.

    Again.

    This is exactly what Dave said:

     
  16. dt_dc

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    They're not even supposed to deploy new boxes (for the first time) that they purchased prior to the integration ban ... as a few cable execs have noted ... for example:
    Wonder why Comcast (and a few other cable companies) had those "call up this month and get a free digital box" specials in a few markets the past couple months?
     
  17. mayank

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    thanks for this i like trying out these kinds of products
     
  18. dt_dc

    dt_dc Mostly Harmless

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    Note:

    Charter (3rd largest cable company by subscriber count) got a deferral for limited capability boxes (no HD, no DVR) like the DCT-700 because of 'financial hardships'.

    Verizon (11th largest cable company by subscriber count) got a deferral for HD and DVR devices untill July 1, 2008 because manufacturers have not made any non-integrated models for them.
     
  19. bicker

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    You're mistaken.

    Apology accepted, Justin.
     
  20. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    The sequence was, 1) Dave wrote "you'll need a CableCARD with any new box as of 7/1", 2) You wrote "That's not necessarily true", 3) I asked you to clarify. 4) You clarified that "Cable companies can continue to redeploy older STBs in perpetuity. The regulation only restricts which NEW STBs they can (initially) deploy."

    I believe that does not contradict what Dave stated in Step 1. With any NEW box, you will need a cablecard.

    Sorry. Seems to be elementary, but if you can't see it, that is just fine.
     

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